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*Edited to add: This dentist is out there telling all these other parents this I am sure. He is pretty much telling them, myself included, that formula is better for teeth. This place was packed! We waited over 2 hours to be seen and a few people said the wait is always like that. Someone needs to stop him!* *Oh! Plus while I am back there one assistant tells a little boy to stop it when he starts to cry. She said it in a very rude way. Mean way. Repeats it a few more times. Says in a snippy way that it doesn't hurt and continues drilling away.* *And a poor me- why do I find all the bad dentists??? Even at my first dentist visit when I was 10 months old he punched me in the stomach!!!!*

Before I start this I must make it clear that I am totally for breastfeeding.

I was totally infuriated yesterday at my 20 month old's dentist appointment. That I drove to Lakeland for mind you- 1 1/2 hours away from where we live!

The dentist doesn't say hello to Sarah or me. Just says- lay her down here and hold her arms like this. (I told Sarah we were going to brush her teeth and at home we do this while she lays on her changing table so she did not struggle or cry) He looks in her mouth and starts telling the assistant what work needs to be done. Then asks me if she was nursed- I say yes and he says this is from nursing. (her decay) I ask if the chances for 'bottle rot' are greater with bottle feeding and he says no. He told me the sugars in breastmilk are much higher and harsher on the teeth than Similac, and any other formula. I ask if it could have been caused because her teeth are genetically prone to decay. (my first dentist appointment as a baby was at 10 months for decay) He says no, this is from breastmilk.

They try to set an appointment and I am still seeing what my options are since they do accept medicaid and will use sedation on her. Then I find out that he won't even do composite fillings anyhow!!! All that time- all that way to drive- him giving me doubts about breastfeeding and nothing to show for it. I tell them - no amalgam (the mercury, i mean "silver" fillings) and she tells me in a round about way that it is all the work or nothing. He won't see her if another dentist will be doing work on her is what she tells me. Bull!!!

So, I cry on the way home. Not the whole 1 1/2 hours but you get the idea. Then I start thinking- could he be right? Here is a brief history of my dd's teeth:

1st DD breastfed till 4 months- bottle fed even at night every night until almost 4 years old (even at night) ONLY 1 small CAVITY AT 4 years old!

2nd DD breastfed till 6 months- (this was two months after her teeth had come in) - then bottle fed until 19 months even at night- we weaned her when we saw her 4 front teeth had a deep line of decay that was already brown. We hadn't even noticed. Her teeth started breaking off and her whole mouth of teeth except for a few teeth eventually rotted completely away.

3rd DD breastfed till 3 1/2 years old at night until 2 yrs old- Same sever rot- Teeth did not actually break off until a few months after DD 2 though.

4th DD still breastfed at 20 months- nightweaned at 15 months- same decay but we are fighting this time. I really didn't know how to before.

So, with my first DD- She had just got her teeth when she was weaned. Now, I am so curious- Why were these other three daughters so prone to this. Can people's teeth be genetically weaker so they get this easier? Or honestly does breastmilk make the risk greater?

Another thing to mention is I had this severe decay as a baby and my sisters did not. We were all breastfed to 2 years old or more. Genetics?
 

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Genetics or possibly fevers while pregnant. My 4.5 year old has had 4 teeth worked on. He was night weaned at 18 months. My older kids were nursed till 9 months but night weaned at 3-4 months.
My dentist has told me several things. 1 it was the bottles at night, then it was bottles of juice, then it was soda but his one answer that I accepted was he didn't know why it happens. Fevers while pregnant (I was hospitalized for major infection at 34 weeks) or nursing. He said if we nursed at night to really really brush the teeth well before bed. It wasn't so much the breastmilk but the other foods left on teeth when the breastmilk pooled. And I have to admit I have powerful let downs so it is entirely possible after DS stopped suckling I continued to spray.

Of course now? He is fully weaned for over a year and is having more brown spots appear. I say genetics.
 

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He told me the sugars in breastmilk are much higher and harsher on the teeth than Similac, and any other formula. I ask if it could have been caused because her teeth are genetically prone to decay. (my first dentist appointment as a baby was at 10 months for decay) He says no, this is from breastmilk.

That is just totally stupid and uneducated!

Here are some links that I did when DD started getting decay at 13 months.
http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBJulAug03p138.html
http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBSepOct02p168.html
http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBSepOct02p164.html
http://www.brianpalmerdds.com/ Browse his whole site, it is AWESOME for support!!!http://www.askdrsears.com/html/10/t107300.asp
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/older-baby/tooth-decay.html Read her site and follow some of the links at the bottom of the article.....Read her and Dr. Palmer, if nothing else!
Also the Dental Archives have a ton of great info:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&threadid=3687
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&threadid=4382
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&threadid=3581

That should get you started. I have a tendency to get a lot of cavities, too, even with wonderful dental hygiene.
: I think dd has taken after me. Also, I think there is usually more than one factor that contributes to decay. For us it was lax dental hygiene when the teeth erupted, a diet of cheerioes, crackers, and other carb foods that change to sugar very fast, genetics predisposing to cavities, and so on. She does night nurse, but I think that it was the breastmilk on top of food on the teeth, like Magemom said.

I will leave you with this thought, Dr. Brian Palmer says on his website that for breastmilk to create cavitites on it's own is evolutionary suicide. Our ancestors nursed their children up to 7 years (do a search on Katherine Dettwyler to read her work on breastfeeding and weaning ages). As far as I know, hundreds of years ago, they didn't brush and floss like we do. Diet was different, lifestyle was different, breastmilk/breastfeeding wasn't (unless you count longer and more often
). Makes you rethink what causes dental caries in kids, huh?

Anyway, it isn't your milk. Don't let the Dr. guilt you into thinking so!
 

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You've already gotten all of the great resources above. Just wanted to say that your dentist is an idiot! And a rude one at that!

I've had three friends whose children are all extended nursers and who have had various degrees of decay. These moms are great about brushing their children's teeth, etc. One of them has a second child who has NO signs of decay. She's convinced is was the repeated use of antibiotics when he first dd was an infant that caused the problems.

I have 2 dds, both extended nursers, both night nursers well past two, both horrible about brushing their teeth, neither of which has any tooth problems. If any of these children should be getting cavities, it should be mine! But genetics, no antibiotics, no high fevers in them or me during tooth formation periods.

Can you find a different dentist?
 

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I have found a different dentist. It has been useless to try and find a dentist in this area that takes medicaid and will actually do what I want. With no amalgam and using a gentle sedation and let me go back with her.

I will be paying out of pocket now which is WELL WORTH IT but it is going to be hard on us financially.

If the health department near us used sedation they would be perfect. They have actually been surprisingly great with my girls and have done composites even on baby teeth. Another story but my 4 year old is terrified to go there now. Even though they have always talked to her very nice (i snuck around and listened at the door) she just needs more to relax and not cry the entire time.
 
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