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there are so many moms/dads who are vehemently opposed to circ. just wondering.....<br>
Why are you so opposed to circ? Was it a traumatic exp? or did you just get the facts?<br>
I am opposed because , well, it seems a no brainer to me... of COURSE you don't slice a piece of your new babe off... c'mon.<br>
Many seem to be vehemently opposed and I was wondering if it was because of an awful experiece. ?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Many seem to be vehemently opposed and I was wondering if it was because of an awful experiece. ?</div>
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Yes, and no. I was genitally cut (episiotomy) during the birth of my first babe (a girl.) So, that led me to be against genital cutting in general. Also, just seeing my beautiful boy, I knew nobody was going to take a knife to him!
 

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That's my attitude too. I can't imagine wanting to cut a piece of my baby off, but then I'm lucky, it just isn't done over here. I've moved from total horror to total-horror-but-with-understanding now as to how normal, apparently loving, parents could possibly do this.<br><br>
I don't think anyone, parents, doctors, <i>anyone</i> has the right to remove health functioning tissue from someone else's body.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Many seem to be vehemently opposed and I was wondering if it was because of an awful experiece. ?</div>
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Nope. I don't feel that I have to have personally been the victim of an atrocity to stand up and help others avoid going through it.
 

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It just seems completely absurd to me. It's bad enough taking a knife to a newborn baby with little or no pain relief, but taking a knife to his penis? Now that seems perverted and sick. Who would ever think to do such a thing???<br><br>
Plus, beyond the pain and absurdity, it affects a man's sexuality and that of his partner. Who am I to alter my son's sexuality. Again, it seems perverted.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It just seems completely absurd to me. It's bad enough taking a knife to a newborn baby with little or no pain relief, but taking a knife to his penis? Now that seems perverted and sick. Who would ever think to do such a thing???<br><br>
Plus, beyond the pain and absurdity, it affects a man's sexuality and that of his partner. Who am I to alter my son's sexuality. Again, it seems perverted.</div>
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yeah, that. The idea of it just turns my stomach. I wasn't quite so vehement across the board before I had my son...I mean, no way in HELL would I let HIM get cut, but I saw it more as a "well, it's the parent's decision". Not anymore, though. Once he was born, and I saw his penis and put two & two together...I honestly can't even stomach the thought of circumcision now. It seems like violation of a baby's body in every sense of the word.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It just seems completely absurd to me. It's bad enough taking a knife to a newborn baby with little or no pain relief, but taking a knife to his penis? Now that seems perverted and sick. Who would ever think to do such a thing???<br><br>
Plus, beyond the pain and absurdity, it affects a man's sexuality and that of his partner. Who am I to alter my son's sexuality. Again, it seems perverted.</div>
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After reading about what circ was there was no way I couldn't be vehemently opposed.
 

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I have a bit of an unusual story I guess about. I wsas raised an orthodox Jew and so circ was not even a question, although hospital circ was generally regarded as poor technique.<br><br>
I'm no longer orthodox but still assumed we would do it.<br><br>
Then one night at the bar a friend of mine (who was quite drunk at the time...) was talking about his partner (he is gay) and how jealous he is bc his partner is whole. It was the first time I ever met an adult man who admitted to being really upset about having been cut and it was very eye-opening. He has even contemplated plastic surgery. I guess as a gay man he has a more intimate awareness of male genitalia that my DH, who has only ever cared about his own--the mutiliation of which he would rather not contemplate<br><br>
I guess most men don't usually discuss their genitals with their female co-workers, but it was a huge blessings that this guy was open enough to do so. When we have sons, they will be whole!
 

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For me it was a traumatic event that pushed me so far to the "anti-circ" side.<br><br>
I didn't always feel as strongly as I do now. When our sons were born 11 years ago, we didn't do it out of gut instinct, not because of any research or strong feelings. Our thoughts went like this:<br><br>
1. That's GOT to HURT!<br>
2. Baby boys are born with foreskins, they must be there for a reason.<br>
3. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.<br><br>
When I first discovered circumcision debate board, I learned that it's controversial. I also learned a LOT about the operation itself, why people think they should do it, and the functions of the foreskin. But I was still pretty neutral - I was still "pro-parental choice".<br><br>
Then Dustin Evans died - I read about it in our local paper. It had NEVER occurred to me that a normal, healthy baby could DIE from circ complications. That single event hit me like a ton of bricks - and threw me solidly off the fence into the anti-circ camp.<br><br>
Meanwhile, as my sons have grown, I've learned what an amazing bit of anatomy the foreksin really is - and I can't imagine consenting to cutting one off.
 

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For me, it started as Mother's instinct. No way no how was I handing my baby over to anyone to cut on. I used to think to each thier own, no big deal, just not my kid. Once my sons were born, and I kept doing reasearch and I kept hearing the horror stories and I kept hearing ridiculous excuses I just got more and more angry. I now firmly beleive that no one, other than the owner of said body/parts has the right to alter that body/part. Trust me, I have come along way. My first post was something along the lines of "It's MY baby I birthed him, it's MY choice FU if you think otherwise!" Lucky for me and my kids, some very nice people (Sarah) decided to ignore my stubborness and ignorance and educate me in a friendly manner.
 

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Well, we had planned on circ'ing our DS, always had...everybody I knew (including my brother and DH) were circ'd. I just thought it was better, the thing to do, etc. I never questioned it at all. Thought it was 'gross' not to.<br><br>
Because we didn't qualify for Medicaid with the second pregnancy/birth I started looking at alternatives and ended up deciding on a Midwife attended homebirth.<br>
We had an U/S revealing that he was a boy (yay!) and on our next appt the Midwife asked if we had thought about the circ issue. I said that we hadn't really talked about it, but I assumed that we would get him done.<br>
She spoke briefly about it and handed me an article (Fleiss article from Mothering mag.).<br>
I read it in the car on the way home, then proceded to do TONS of research on the internet.<br><br>
At first I was surprised. Surprised that nobody had told us what the foreskin was for, what it's functions were. I did my research on the long-term effects first, because regardless of what happened briefly to him as an infant didn't seem as important as what he would have to live with for the rest of his life.<br><br>
So once I figured out that being intact is better iin the long run, I turned my attention to how the procedure was done.<br><br>
I was shocked at first. Shock quickly turned into absolute horror.<br>
I couldn't believe ANYONE in their right mind could do that to a child. Especially a newborn baby.<br><br>
I think part of the reason I feel SO strongly about this issue is because a few months after learning all of that I gave birth to my son.<br>
Of course the images of circumcisions I'd seen on the internet were fresh in my mind; every time he cried hard I couldn't help but imagine that if we had had him circ'd he would've cried so much harder. And just thinking of him in that kind of agony would (and still does) make me light-headed and so angry!<br><br>
So when I think about it being done, I have my recent experience with my baby being a newborn, and a fairly vivid imagination. I can't help but imagine how it must've been for my friends' babies who had to endure a circumcision.<br><br>
I've always had a soft heart for babies and it is excruciatingly hard to know that this is being done to them with their parent's consent.<br>
Although I put far more blame on the medical community for letting this atrocity continue as long as it has.<br><br><br>
So there you have it. Probably far more than you needed, but this is really the first time I've actually written it out, so I kind of needed to get it all out iykwim <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/bag.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Bag">:<br><br>
Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">there are so many moms/dads who are vehemently opposed to circ. just wondering.....<br>
Why are you so opposed to circ? Was it a traumatic exp? or did you just get the facts?</div>
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For me it just started out being a "to each his own" kinda thing. My son wasn't going to be but whatever other people did was their own business. I felt we made the right decison because of the research that I did and shared with dh.<br><br>
Then the traumatic experience came into play. I watched a circumcision video. It still is to this day the most disgusting, disturbing thing that I have ever seen.....EVER! I now think that RIC is most certainly not a "to each his own". I see it as something that should be against the law.<br><br>
You say vehemently opposed....if you could take that to the next level on this issue, that's where I would be.<br><br>
Take care,<br>
Tara
 

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Tara, as many years as I've been hanging out on circ debate boards, I have yet to watch one of the videos (I don't even want to see the sanitized version). Nor do I look at photos of the operation - they are just too disturbing.<br><br>
8 or 9 years ago DH and I were visiting my boss and his new baby in the hospital. He was SO cute - contentedly snuggled in his mother's arms, wide awake and alert, making the funniest grunting noises! While we were there, the doctor came in and took Baby away for his circ. DH and I left a few minutes later.<br><br>
We walked past the nursery on the way out, and we could hear a baby screaming - it reminded me of the way my 4-month-old son screamed when he had an intestinal intusseception (before he went into shock from the pain). We peeked in the window, and sure enough, there was the same doctor, leaning over my boss's baby. DH and I cried all the way to the car.<br><br>
Hearing it was bad enough - I don't EVER want to watch it.
 

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I've always had a soft heart for babies and it is excruciatingly hard to know that this is being done to them with their parent's consent.<br>
Although I put far more blame on the medical community for letting this atrocity continue as long as it has.</div>
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That's exactly how I feel.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Tara, as many years as I've been hanging out on circ debate boards, I have yet to watch one of the videos (I don't even want to see the sanitized version). Nor do I look at photos of the operation - they are just too disturbing.<br><br>
8 or 9 years ago DH and I were visiting my boss and his new baby in the hospital. He was SO cute - contentedly snuggled in his mother's arms, wide awake and alert, making the funniest grunting noises! While we were there, the doctor came in and took Baby away for his circ. DH and I left a few minutes later.<br><br>
We walked past the nursery on the way out, and we could hear a baby screaming - it reminded me of the way my 4-month-old son screamed when he had an intestinal intusseception (before he went into shock from the pain). We peeked in the window, and sure enough, there was the same doctor, leaning over my boss's baby. DH and I cried all the way to the car.<br><br>
Hearing it was bad enough - I don't EVER want to watch it.</div>
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I wish I was that smart(not to watch).....that video haunts my dreams <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> .<br><br>
Tara
 

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I was educated on the issue by my midwives while I was pregnant. Thank goodness I'd decided on a home birth, or my poor sons would probably have been cut. They were born in 1979 and 1987. The thought of it being done without anesthesia was mind-boggling, and I decided I would NEVER put a son of mine through that.<br>
Still, I thought of it more as a parents' choice issue until January of this year, when I started posting on this board. It wasn't until I read the book Sex as Nature Intended It that I switched from thinking that parents should make the final decision to thinking that the baby himself should make the decision as a grown man. This book educated me on how circ. reduces a man's sexuality and makes intercourse less satisfying for women. I didn't know before that circ. has lifelong consequences. I'm still not sure about making it illegal, but I'm leaning in that direction.
 

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You know how everyone got all up in arms with the coverage of FGM? Well, it was a small step to realize that circ is the SAME THING. I am so opposed because I think it's child abuse. I'm also opposed to people hanging babies by their toes and allowing them to be devoured by wild animals. It's awful and shouldn't be happening....<br><br>
-Angela
 

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callumsmom2001 said:
I wish I was that smart(not to watch).....that video haunts my dreams <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> .<br><br>
Tara, I hear you. It still makes me cry to think of it. My family is Moslem so I know this is going to be an issue when my bros have kids of their own. I think it is savage, unnecessary and downright should be illegal.
 

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Well, I've never watched the circ video and all my kids are girls, so you would think I shouldn't have that much to say about it, and yet this issue is something I obsess about.<br><br>
I think my strong feelings come from the realization that we might very well have circed our first if she'd been a boy. I just can't believe no one told me what was at stake in the decision and since we didn't have internet in those days I just trusted my doctor and didn't know that I needed to research anything. After I found out what circ really was I just couldn't believe that anyone could have the info and still do it. I naively embarked on a campaign to let all of my pg acquaintances know what I knew, and found out unfortunately that the reasons for this practice run so deep that some people just won't let go of it. It all just makes me sick. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 
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