Mothering Forum banner

1 - 20 of 24 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
496 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Where are they? I'd heard populations were dropping, but DANG!!!! I live in East Tx, and I've only seen a few bees all spring! We took pics in front of my grandmothers gigantic azaleas earlier, which are usually swarming with them, and there were only a couple. This is freaking me out!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,964 Posts
<div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px;">Quote:</div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">
<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Manonash</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/7967437"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Where are they? I'd heard populations were dropping, but DANG!!!! I live in East Tx, and I've only seen a few bees all spring! We took pics in front of my grandmothers gigantic azaleas earlier, which are usually swarming with them, and there were only a couple. This is freaking me out!</div>
</td>
</tr></table></div>
<br>
They're dead and/or dying.<br><br>
This is very scary - bees=plants=animals=people. Without bees we are in seriously deep trouble.<br><br>
Last I heard, we have lost more than half of our honeybee population worldwide. Now it's being linked to cell phones/towers. The radiation emitted from these devices confuses bees and prevents them from finding their way home - hence they die.<br><br>
I'll dig around for an article and post a link for you...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,964 Posts
Here are a few articles on the cell phone theory:<br><br><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece" target="_blank">http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece</a><br><br><a href="http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/204247" target="_blank">http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/204247</a><br><br><a href="http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2007/03/06/millions_of_bees_die_are_electromagnetic_signals_to_blame.htm" target="_blank">http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...s_to_blame.htm</a>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,513 Posts
That is very very interesting (and sad). I haven't noticed any decline in the bees around our flowers. Although VT doesn't have as many cell phone towers as other places (yet) either. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
496 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
I thought I heard something about cell phones. Maybe. Sounds like a misdirection for one of Monsanto's screw ups, though. Cell phones have been around for a while now; if they're the cause, why are we just seeing die off now? I suspect GM crops. (Of course, I blame Monsanto for lots of things).
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
42,757 Posts
There is also research pointing at a fungus as a possible cause<br><br><a href="http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Apr/25/br/br6927458130.html" target="_blank">http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...927458130.html</a>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,306 Posts
Notice all the non-American sources of info on this consider the cell-phone radiation as being a viable explanation. But all the American news sources, shortly after the <a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=cache:8TJXKMkPJ-0J:www.bienenarchiv.de/forschung/2004_lernprozesse/Electromagnetic%2520Exposure_Learning%2520Processes.doc.pdf+kuhn+bees+landau" target="_blank">research</a> out of <a href="http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Km38CAOSeuQJ:agbi.uni-landau.de/material_download/IAAS_2006.pdf+%22Harst%22+%22Can+Electromagnetic+Exposure%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us" target="_blank">Germany</a> came out explaining the radiation effect, are coming up with other explanations. <a href="http://opencrs.cdt.org/document/RL33938/2007-03-26%2000:00:00" target="_blank">This</a> is what our Congress is being told. Notice it doesn't even mention the radiation theory.<br><br>
Now I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it seems to me the American media and research is ignoring a significant, but inconvenient report. God forbid our cell phones have negative consequences. How would we live without them?! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,964 Posts
I think that there are probably a few different contributing factors, including GM crops, stress, pesticides/insecticides, etc.<br><br>
It has been proven, though, that when a cell phone is placed by a hive, the bees will not return to that hive. This has huge implications. Many of my family members are beekeepers...My mom checked on her supers a few months ago - all her bees were gone. As were my aunts and my mom's boyfriend's bees. None of the bees left in the hives tested for parasites or pathogens. They're stumped. Scary stuff.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,109 Posts
wow. i hadn't heard about the cell phone theory. spooky. i had heard about GM crops being a possible problem.<br><br>
colony collapse it's called...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,109 Posts
i just heard a program yesterday on NPR about bees and the colony collapse disorder on The Story. scroll down here to listen/read -- <a href="http://thestory.org/archive/" target="_blank">http://thestory.org/archive/</a> .
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
496 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
That was a great article on the fungal infection - thanks!<br><br>
I'd be one of the first ones to say we are addicted to cell phones, and that drives me nuts. I'm just wondering though, if cell phones disrupt bees if used within a short distance of them, wouldn't they regain direction once they were far enough away? I live in a very rural area, and they wouldn't be getting that close to most cell phones to gather nectar here, and they nest in the woods primarily (although a few attics and walls get colonized too<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> ), so why would those bees be affected? Just wonderin'.<br><br>
beanma: Thanks for the link! I'll have to give it a listen this afternoon.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,312 Posts
What about the theory that the practice of moving hives from field to field is stressing the bees? Is that theory still out there?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px;">Quote:</div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">This is very scary - bees=plants=animals=people. Without bees we are in seriously deep trouble</td>
</tr></table></div>
I agree that it is distressing, but that isn't really true, right? I mean, yes, the honeybees are affected, but there are a lot of native bees (bumble bees, mason bees, carpenter bees, etc.) that I don't believe are affected, and still do a lot of pollination work.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
538 Posts
"I agree that it is distressing, but that isn't really true, right? I mean, yes, the honeybees are affected, but there are a lot of native bees (bumble bees, mason bees, carpenter bees, etc.) that I don't believe are affected, and still do a lot of pollination work."<br><br>
I think one set of fears is that this will or could eventually affect all bees.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,312 Posts
<div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px;">Quote:</div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">
<div>Originally Posted by <strong>jessaries</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8012877"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I think one set of fears is that this will or could eventually affect all bees.</div>
</td>
</tr></table></div>
Yes, depending on the cause, that <i>could</i> be the case, but I think without any evidence to support that, saying that the collapse of honey bee hives means the end of our ability to grow food is really premature.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,964 Posts
<div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px;">Quote:</div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">
<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Manonash</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8011597"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm just wondering though, if cell phones disrupt bees if used within a short distance of them, wouldn't they regain direction once they were far enough away? I live in a very rural area, and they wouldn't be getting that close to most cell phones to gather nectar here, and they nest in the woods primarily (although a few attics and walls get colonized too<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> ), so why would those bees be affected? Just wonderin'.<br></div>
</td>
</tr></table></div>
I was chatting with a local bee keeper about this the other day - he said that the actual cell <i>towers</i> played a part - not just the actual phone device. It has already been shown that power lines can cause CCD as well.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,964 Posts
<div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px;">Quote:</div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">
<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Owen'nZoe</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8012496"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;"><br>
I agree that it is distressing, but that isn't really true, right? I mean, yes, the honeybees are affected, but there are a lot of native bees (bumble bees, mason bees, carpenter bees, etc.) that I don't believe are affected, and still do a lot of pollination work.</div>
</td>
</tr></table></div>
<br>
Do we know that they aren't? Beekeepers are noticing their bees are dead/gone. Most beekeepers keep honey bees. So it would make sense that we are seeing mostly the demise of the honey bee. I wuld hazard a guess that other bees are being affected as well, only we're not checking those "wild" hives and so we aren't as aware of the colapse in the wild.<br><br>
It has long been said - in fact Alfred Einstein has been quoted as saying it himself, that without the bees, we can't continue to exist. This sounds extreme, but it does make sense.<br><br><br><br><i>"The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left".</i><br><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece" target="_blank">http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece</a><br><br><i>"Brandi's been a beekeeper since 1978. In that time, his bees have pollinated not just almond trees, but cranberries, blueberries, cherries, apples, plums, melons, avocados and wide variety of vegetables. According to the new report, beekeepers like Brandi help put the bloom on at least 90 important crops -- <b>including about one-third of the fruit, vegetables and nuts found in your local store</b>."</i> -Bold mine.<br><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6299480" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6299480</a><br><br><i>A Cornell University study has estimated that honeybees annually pollinate more than $14 billion worth of seeds and crops in the United States, mostly fruits, vegetables and nuts. <b>"Every third bite we consume in our diet is dependent on a honeybee to pollinate that food,"</b> said Zac Browning, vice president of the American Beekeeping Federation.</i><br><a href="http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022707H.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022707H.shtml</a><br><br><i><br>
"The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of its commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast."</i><br><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece" target="_blank">http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece</a>
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,513 Posts
There was an article in our paper the other day about this and the beekeeper they interviewed totally poo-pooed the cellphone theory. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">:
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
42,757 Posts
<a href="http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1158875.html" target="_blank">http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1158875.html</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px;">Quote:</div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">...about one-third of the human diet comes from insect-pollinated plants, and <b>the honeybee is responsible for 80 percent of that pollination</b>, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.</td>
</tr></table></div>
I live in Kansas and I know a lot of beekeepers around me and I go to a beekeeping store to get my soaping supplies. I have been hearing about this for awhile. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,964 Posts
<div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px;">Quote:</div>
<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">
<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Ilovelife</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8018783"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">There was an article in our paper the other day about this and the beekeeper they interviewed totally poo-pooed the cellphone theory. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">:</div>
</td>
</tr></table></div>
No one really knows. Some beekeepers are convinced - others are not. I think it really depends on where one lives. In some places, cell towers may not be to blame - maybe it's GM crops or parasites there. In other places, power lines are dessimating hives. I've found in talking to many beekeepers in my area that they are concerned about the radiation implication. I can totally see stress being to blame in the "traveling" hives - I don't accept that as readily for stationary hives (like my family's hives).<br><br>
I think that's what makes this so scary. It could be any number of things. We don't know. So we can't correct whatever the cause is. And even if we could - would we? If it is proven to be cell phones, everyone's not going to run out and cancel their phones...If it's GM crops - Monsanto isn't going to swoop down and gather them all up and do away with GM planting... What to do? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> It looks rather bleak from this point.
 
1 - 20 of 24 Posts
Top