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I am producing a performance of <i>Birth</i> for <a href="http://www.birthonlaborday.com" target="_blank">BOLD</a> again this year and it has led me to a possible nursing quandary. We are having three performances (one on Friday night, followed by a matinee and an evening show on Saturday). Eleanor will be coming with me and dh to Friday's show while my mother watches the two older ones and I had planned on taking her with me all day Saturday as well. The thing is she is getting older than I realized and starting to crave her routines. I think between all the evening rehearsals she is coming along on, plus a long and late night on Friday, and a really long day with only catnaps in the sling on Saturday that she might be a basketcase by Saturday night. I don't want her to be all stressed out nor do I want her completely disturbing the performance.<br><br>
So, I am thinking of taking her along for the daytime portion and then running her home in between shows to stay with my husband. This would mean that she would be home without me from about 6:30pm until 10:30pm, a bit too long to leave without breastmilk. Alas, my breastpump is missing a few pieces and I have not used it at all this baby. I do not want to invest in a new pump this close to being able to leave her behind with solid food if need be.<br><br>
I am wondering what else would be a good replacement for breastmilk for this short time. I was thinking goat's milk would be best but my sister mentioned rice milk. Would rice milk be a comparable substitute or should I track down the goat's milk. Or call it a day and try to wrangle a breast pump from some friend or family member? Help!
 

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do you have a nursing friend that can give you some breast milk?<br><br>
and how old is your baby? if she's less than a year old, i'd go with formula, if breast milk wasn't available.
 

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She is five and a half months old. I would not go with formula before goat's milk as goat's milk is much closer in composition to human milk than artificial milk is and I have no idea what is in artificial milk. I could make a formula out of goat's milk if necessary. I don't know if that would be smarter, sort of diluting the milk to make it more digestable. And would the same be required of rice milk if that is okay to use?
 

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Formula would be the best substitute if you can't get a pump or hand express or use someone else's milk.<br><br>
Anything that's not breastmilk will mess up her gut flora just as badly as anything else, so best to give something that's got the right protein/fat balance at least.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Actually, goat and cow are pretty similar, much more protein than human milk or formula. Formula is cow's milk modified to try and make it similar to human milk in the amounts of fat, protein, etc.<br><br><a href="http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/b120a.htm" target="_blank">http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/b120a.htm</a>
 

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exactly. can cause a dangerous imbalance...<br><br>
"Parents of babies allergic to cow's milk and other commercial formulas often ask if it's safe to use goat's milk as an alternative. In theory, goat's milk is less allergenic and more easily digestible than cow's milk, but it should not be used as a substitute for infant formula. Like cow's milk, it can cause intestinal irritation and anemia. If your baby under one year of age is allergic to cow's milk-based formulas, try either a soy-based formula or a hypoallergenic formula. If your baby can't tolerate either soy or hypoallergenic formulas, in consultation with your doctor and/or a pediatric nutritionist click here for the recipe for goat's milk formula"<br><br>
here's the recipe for goat's milk formula, if you're determined:<br><br><a href="http://www.askdrsears.com/html/3/t032401.asp" target="_blank">http://www.askdrsears.com/html/3/t032401.asp</a>
 

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If you can get a pump I would. It just seems like a slippery slope to start with substitutes so early if you don't have to.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/winner.jpg" style="border:0px solid;" title="BFSymbol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If you can get a pump I would. It just seems like a slippery slope to start with substitutes so early if you don't have to.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/winner.jpg" style="border:0px solid;" title="BFSymbol"></div>
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Yeah, no worries about the slippery slope. I breastfed my last daughter until she was five and a half and am a pretty big proponent of child led weaning. This would be a strictly one time affair. I think I am going to try to meet my sister halfway between houses so I can borrow her pump. That seems like the best option.<br><br>
I do admit I am suprised by how many people suggested formula as the best choice if not breastmilk. I will have to do more research because while I know that for a long term feeding choice formula might be the safest and best bet depending on various factors I would not have thought it an obvious choice for infrequent subs where the balance of nutritional components for growth, etc. is less necessary. But I tend to be fairly suspicious of the contents of formula to begin with and was veering towards a more natural substance so perhaps I am off. Or maybe it just shows how much a part of our consciousness formula has become...
 

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Could you try hand-expressing milk? I have no idea how well that works as I've never tried it... If not though, why not just go get a cheap little manual hand pump? Thats all I use. The electric pump I have just doesn't work on me for some reason<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> So... yeah. Failing those things, I'd have to say formula would be best... I just don't think cow or goat or anything else is going to come close enough to be 'acceptable', you know??
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Or maybe it just shows how much a part of our consciousness formula has become...</div>
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You're implying that we're formula salespeople?<br><br>
Whatever. Feed your kid whatever you like, but don't come crying to us when it makes her sick.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You're implying that we're formula salespeople?<br><br>
Whatever. Feed your kid whatever you like, but don't come crying to us when it makes her sick.</div>
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Yikes! That was harsh! I would suggest a teaching approach over insults and put-downs, just my opinion.<br><br>
I wanted to note that <i>Juliette de Bairacli Levy</i> a very well known herbalist/naturalpath, raised one of her babies on goats milk, she even wrote a book about it, it is a very good book and I highly recomend it. Natures Children. This is a book held in very high esteem in the herbalist community in my area!! Goats milk is much easier to digest and does not have the tendancies towards allergies that cows milk does. I would find the raw milk though. I can't type more as I am naking, but here is a link to the book...<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=motheringhud-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FNatures-Children-Juliette-Levy-Bairacli%2Fdp%2F0961462086%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_sr_1%2F104-4747135-5803155%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1188425330%26sr%3D1-1" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Childr...8425330&sr=1-1</a>
 

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Just wanted to say also that I support going with goatsmilk if breastmilk is unatainable.
 

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What kind of pump do you have? Can you get replacement parts. I know Medela is pretty good at sending little things to moms in need. MIght want to try that route, then you could pump for her.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">: I wouldn't mess with her gut flora by giving her anything else. I find it easiest to hand express immediately after dd has breastfed. This way she has already letdown the milk and there's some in there! If I try it in between feedings, I get nothing but sore fingers and a sore breast!
 

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I would suggest either repairing/replacing the breastpump, or trying to hand express milk, as the best choice option- leaving her with your own milk.<br><br>
The next best choice would be to get ebm from another nursing mom.<br><br>
The third best choice would be to use formula- either commercial infant formula, or a homemade formula based on whatever mammal milk you think is best. A lot of people use raw milk as a base for homemade formula. Even a "toddler formula" would be OK for occasional supplementation and better than plain goat milk.<br><br>
The fourth best choice would be plain goat, cow, or sheep milk.<br><br>
Leaving her with something like rice milk is the nutritional equivilent of leaving her with diluted rice cereal and IMO not safe at all.
 

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I would recommend hand expressing as well. Or go and get your sister's pump. I don't know enough about goat's milk to take a position on whether it is preferable over a cow/soy based formula that is presumably designed to meet the dietary needs of an infant (whereas raw or paterized goat's milk in and of itself is not). Once you impact the intestinal flora with anything, it doesn't seem like it would matter what that substance is, especially since it is only one feeding.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Sorry, but while this statement is harsh, I have to admit that the same thing went through my mind. I think it deserved being said because there was a tone of condescension ...like we are trying to sell her formula to the nutritional detriment of her child...or worse that we are all blindly buying into the benefits of formula over BM (yes, I admit to reading into the statement).
 

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I'm not all about formula. I hate it. But it does come before goat's milk on the WHO's list of acceptable breastmilk substitutes, so for a baby that young, if I absolutely could not get breastmilk, I'd go with formula.<br><br>
That being said, if you can't fix your pump, why not get an inexpensive hand pump? You're not going to be away from her that long, and a hand pump is going to run you about $30... it would probably cost about that much to get your pump fixed. I'd definitely find a way to pump or hand express, since you have some advance notice. If it were an emergency (like two hours from now or something) and you absolutely could not pump, that would be a different story. But you have plenty of time to prepare. Get a new pump, or fix yours.<br><br>
ETA: I know you're not wanting to go to the expense of getting a new pump because you don't use it often and may never use it again. But you can always resell a hand pump, and since all the parts are boil-able, it will be easier to unload than an electric anyway, I would think.
 

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Could you wear her during the evening shows in a carrier so she could stay with you? Honestly, both my kids would not have taken something other than my milk at that age. I took my little guy everywhere in the sling at that age, and he frequently would sleep in it. Do you have a stroller or can you borrow one? If you decide to bring her you could lay her down if she falls asleep (if that works for you) or let her sit in it and give her a few small toys to play with if she gets bored in the sling. If you are really determined to leave her home with someone else, I think you either need to A)leave some breastmilk- either donated, or your milk pumped or handexpressed B) feed her formula (either storebought or homemade).<br><br>
Has she taken a bottle or cup before? You said she you haven't pumped before for her. Just something to think about. Like I said both my kids were very resistant to feeding anywhere but at the tap. They were pretty much glued to me for the first year especially in the evenings. Hope you find a good solution!
 

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I'd go get an Avent Isis if you can't' find pump parts on short notice.<br><br>
Less expensive, highly effective - and not only can you resell it on eBay (as "used once! Totally sterilized!") but you'll have it on hand in case a situation arises while its still better to leave her with some milk.<br><br>
That'd be my #1 choice.
 
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