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How do they determine which virus it is???<br><br>
My sisters baby has been diagnosed with bronchiolitis. As we got talking about it .. it just seems that these two viruses are awfully similar..<br><br>
Could it be that its called bronchiolitis because he's been through two rounds of vax????
 

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<span style="font-size:xx-large;"><span style="color:#FF0000;">EXACTLY<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="exclaim"></span></span>
 

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tell me more about the similarities between these two, please! DD was between age 3.5 and 4.5 months with what they called bronchiolitis, but she hasn't been sick again (until just now whenI got pg), and I suspect her early illness was directly related to her vaxes (we did the 2,4,6 month DtaP before I did enough research to not vax anymore). I wanna hear more!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">How do they determine which virus it is???<br><br>
My sisters baby has been diagnosed with bronchiolitis. As we got talking about it .. it just seems that these two viruses are awfully similar..<br><br>
Could it be that its called bronchiolitis because he's been through two rounds of vax????</div>
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This was posted here before - if a grown up has a severe cough, it is diagnosed as bronchitis and not tested for B.pertussis.<br><br>
But here is another bit of info I remember from a previous post:<br><br>
The Pertussis germ produces a toxin, a chemical substance, which can damage the respiratory tract.<br>
It's that toxin which generates the bronchitis that kids then suffer with all their lives.<br><br>
And I have also seen in literature B.pertussis may result in symptomes of bronchitis.
 

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Well, I should make it clear that sis lives halfway across the country from me...<br>
Its just that while she was describing her ds's symptoms.. and talking about what bronchiolitis is...(as told by Dr.). It just sounded really similar.<br><br>
SHe said he had a really bad cough...would cough horribly for a while. then be ok for a while.. and the duration sounded like whooping cough. She said he's had it for about a month now.. and still has it.<br><br>
She was discussing what bronchiolitis is.. a viral infection way down in the tiny bronchioli in the lungs.. and I know that pertussisis an infection of the tiny hair like things in the lungs. So it just got me wondering what kind of tests they do to dertermine what it is.. or if they call it bronchiolitis because.. well... it can't be pertussis cause he's just been through his second round of vax.. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
My suspiciuos mind working overtime perhaps.....
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This was posted here before - if a grown up has a severe cough, it is diagnosed as bronchitis and not tested for B.pertussis.<br><br>
But here is another bit of info I remember from a previous post:<br><br>
The Pertussis germ produces a toxin, a chemical substance, which can damage the respiratory tract.<br>
It's that toxin which generates the bronchitis that kids then suffer with all their lives.<br><br>
And I have also seen in literature B.pertussis may result in symptomes of bronchitis.</div>
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Links? I haven't read anything that showed that pertussis did permanent damage to the lungs. The cilia are destroyed but they grow back within 3-6 months.<br><br>
I can see not telling the difference in a vaccinated older child or adult because their symptoms wouldn't be as severe as a non-vax'd child, but in a non-vax'd child or a very young not-fully vax'd child, the symptoms are very different.<br><br>
The pertussis has a whoop and the child can cough until all breath is gone. My dds used to turn purple and I'd have to blow in their faces to get them to breathe in. In between breathing they act normal. They don't appear to be weak or fatigued. They don't act "sick". It also lasts for 3 months (it is called the 100 day virus in China). It doesn't respond to treatment. So a child wouldn't get better after a round of abx or breathing treatments.<br><br>
Bronchiolitis causes asthmatic type symptoms, most notably wheezing and difficulty breathing. There can be some coughing associated, but not so severe that they would turn purple or whoop (intaking breath). They are obviously sick, acting lethargic and clingy. They do respond to breathing treatments and other medications.<br><br>
This is not something I cut and pasted from a medical journal. This is based on my dd's real life reactions to the two different problems. I wouldn't mistake one for the other having been through both.<br><br>
BAU3, based on what you said, I'd be suspicious of pertussis too. I would say that she should request a test, but the tests are notoriously inaccurate and so likely he would be a false negative. Anyhow, you just have to wait pertussis out so there'd be no benefit to finding out for sure anyway. I can sympathize with your sister. I had so much grief in my heart watching my poor babies suffer like they did, and dh was mad at me too (for my decision to not vax - it was up to me). But now that it is over, I feel good that they developed a stronger immune system and I know they will be healthier for it.
 

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There are tests that can determine what virus the baby has. They take a q-tip like thing and swab up the nose. They then culture the specimen to determine what if anything grows out. I used to work as a RN on a pediatric floor. I used to take care of babies that had bronchiolitis usually due to RSV or influenza. I have also taken care of babies that had pertussis. I'm not sure how accurate these tests are, but they did use them quite frequently at the hospital I worked at.
 

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Well, Laralou,<br>
it sounds to me like her ds has the bronchiolitis that your child had.... the wheezing...the lethargy and sickness.. and he responded to treatments...so i suppose its not pertussis...<br>
i just got wondering how they diagnose...
 

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My baby had bronchilolitis when he was 5 mo. He was wheezing and everything but it didn't seem like anything I would expect pertussis to be. I'm interested to hear more but there was no whoop to his cough and it didn't last very long either.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">There are tests that can determine what virus the baby has. They take a q-tip like thing and swab up the nose. They then culture the specimen to determine what if anything grows out. I used to work as a RN on a pediatric floor. I used to take care of babies that had bronchiolitis usually due to RSV or influenza. I have also taken care of babies that had pertussis. I'm not sure how accurate these tests are, but they did use them quite frequently at the hospital I worked at.</div>
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That's what I'm saying. They aren't very accurate. In fact the Child article that got me so riled up even used an example of a child who died or got really sick from pertussis and they said in the article that the child initially tested false positive for pertussis. My thought is that it is mutating or something like the flu.<br><br>
BAU3, In an older child I could see how it could be mistaken for bronchitis (not bronchiolitis). Ds - being vax'd - didn't have pertussis as severe as the girls and it was really similar to my recent bout with bronchitis, but he didn't respond to abx, then the girls got it and it was obvious.<br><br>
My recent bout with bronchitis was pretty severe- so bad that I coughed until I vomitted a couple of times, wet my pants several times, and even pushed a tampon out twice, but I never whooped or failed to be able to catch a breath. Then I got on abx and within two days the coughing had stopped. I know I shouldn't go on abx and let my system fight it on its own, but I work in a church nursery and the coughing was really freaking out the parents.
 

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BreastisBest,<br><br>
When my ds had bronchiolitis (he was 5 mo) we didn't give him any medication. We're lucky to have a doc who is very careful about not overmedicating. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> We got a humidifier and always had it on for him. I put in it essential oils (tea tree, eucylyptus (sp?), and lavender (to relax him) ). We also massaged a couple drops of these essential oils mixed w/olive oil into his chest and back. I also made sure he got as much uninterrupted sleep as possible. I don't know how old your dc is but if you're nursing (which by your screen name I assume you are <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> ) you can up your intake of vit C & Bee Propylis, etc. I'll post again if I remember anything else. I hope your little one gets better quick.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Thank you so much for the advice. I will try those things. How long did it take for the bronchiolitis to run it's course using this method? I gave him a little of the albuterol (cringing the whole time) and even a few drops of the steroid. (which i SOOOO HATE!!!) My heart is ripping out of my chest for him. He can't sleep because he sucks a pacifier and his nose is stuffy and its hard for him to breathe so he's not getting a lot of sleep like he should. I try the mentholatum (sp)..under his nose and that seems to help a bit. Also benadryl...I'm just praying it clears up soon because i HATE all this! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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Well, the only things I did are what I listed above. The worst part only lasted 2 or 3 days and the whole thing was pretty much over in a week. The doctor said that was a very fast recovery. That's why I'd recommend the above. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
I hope you're baby gets better soon.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
*ETA: I know it's so hard to worry about your baby. The first day or two I layed there beside him making sure he was breathing. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I did prop him up so he'd be able to breath better. If he was laying by himself I layed him on his side and elevated his chest and head w/pillows. If I was laying with him I'd lay him in the crook of my arm (thereby elevating his head) or on his tummy across my chest w/his legs down on the bed (kind of kneeling). These things helped him sleep longer. Also, I didn't care what was going on or where we had to go etc. I did not wake him up if he was sleeping. I just let him sleep as long as he possibly could. I think it made a big difference. Good luck.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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When my grandchildren have been sick with illnesses that make it hard to breathe my daughter puts them to sleep in a car seat. This props them up enough to make breathing a lot easier. Won't work with kids who are crawling though!<br><br>
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Breastisbest- try running the shower on really hot with the bathroom door closed to build up some steam and then sit inside the bathroom with him for a few minutes. That sometimes helps, make sure he is sitting up in your lap or up over your shoulder so he can really clear up his nose. It helped when my son had it as a baby. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> it's so hard when they are sick and we can't do much but hope it passes quick!
 
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