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Mother of my new nephew stopped nursing before getting discharged. Doctors told her she shouldn't continue because of ?antibiotics or ?painkillers, not sure which. And the anemia.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I know she was having trouble the first day or two, a lot of pain, and she said she spoke to a lactation consultant at the hospital, they were a "pro-BF" hospital, she says ... I suggested calling LLL, but she wasn't interested, "No, it's okay, the LC came already ..."<br><br>
Anyway, she's not going to try anymore, but just for my own head and curiosity, has anyone here been successful nursing under circumstances like these?<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Or maybe this should be in Getting Started and Overcoming Difficulties? My original thought was that I wanted to "advocate" for her to continue nursing ... it's only yesterday she stopped, and her milk was just coming in ... mods, I leave that decision in your capable hands ... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I was never told to not breastfeed due to painkillers, and when DS was born I was on a morphine-type med drip which I controlled by pushing the button when I had pain. After discharge I was told to use Advil.<br><br>
With DD I don't remember being given diddley for pain while in the hospital, though I must've been, but I also wasn't in much pain. I was prescribed a analgesic with codiene to take if needed when I went home. I don't think I ever did...<br><br>
Anemia? I don't know.<br><br>
Antibiotics? that's a crock. If the docs couldn't find one compatible with breastfeeding then they are either grossly incompetent or criminally lazy IMO. They're quick enough to insist on antibiotics during labor for strepB. Antibiotics are given to pregnant women...<br><br>
Perhaps the mother of your nephew just didn't really want to and doesn't know about or care about the risks of formula feeding?
 

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I didn't have a c/s but I have bfed on abx. I have ongoing prescriptions for abx and I am supposed to take them every time I see the dentist. I hear the only one you can't bf on is cipro, the anthrax cure.<br><br>
I have also taken pain meds that say "Don't breastfeed while taking this" so I called a midwife and she said it was ok to bf 8 hours after I took the meds, and in between time I could pump and dump. And I hear it's OK to bf on stuff like codeine.<br><br>
Lots of people who have a c/s can still bf, and I'm sure everyone who has a c/s gets abx and pain meds. With anemia, I would think as long as you eat lots of iron-rich foods and maybe take a supplement if you like, you should be ok.
 

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I had a c/s, post-operative infection, anemia from extensive bleeding, and had a bp of 50/23 after the epidural. I threw up from the pain drugs they were dripping into me until 12 hours after the c/s I figured out that's why I was throwing up and made them quit it. She had a lot of trouble latching (the blood loss may have made even the colostrum difficult for her to get and by gum she got tired!)<br><br>
I left the hospital a day early because I felt like it was interfering with my ability to get b/f going.<br><br>
I was prescribed percacet, advil and iron. B/c my little one would not wake up to feed, I quit taking the percacet.<br><br>
We finger fed, I pumped what I could and used tiny amts of formula in the 1st two weeks. (She was getting jaundiced and would not wake.) I was (oddly) never put on oral antibiotics, don't know whether they gave them to me in hospital or not. (They just quit giving me information after a while.)<br><br>
I broke every single solitary rule for positioning, but I got that kid on my boob in a "babymoon" weekend two weeks after birth. I got in bed. My beloved dp did everything for us, including fingerfeeding my beautiful dc. I offered her the boob all weekend. She latched and fed on one boob on Sunday afternoon. Tuesday she took the second boob.<br><br>
Okay, it worked because I have a high pain tolerance and because it never occured to me that there was really another way to feed babies. (My mom b/f 6 kids in the 50's and 60's.) It worked because I decided to ignore anything but excellent advice from people I already knew knew what they were talking about. I ignored *everything* that passes for a rule about breastfeeding. (Bring the baby to the boob, don't hunch over, make the baby open her mouth all the way even if you force it open, don't hold your boob while you're feeding, blah, blah, blah.) It worked 'cause I was old when I had her and stubborn.<br><br>
It worked because two weeks after she came out, she finally latched again and sucked and swallowed.<br><br>
Merpk, it was a near miss. I was in too much pain to carry her any distance until she was a year old. (The infection didn't heal for many months.) We could have gone through weeks of agony and still failed. We were, however, blessed with success and I will never stop being grateful for it.
 

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I had all three. C-section, anemia, uterine infection, IV antibiotics for 5 full days, painkillers (but only for 3 days). Slightly unrelated, I was also in agony from being given a latex foley catheter that remained in for 18 hours, in spite of the fact that I asked WHEN THEY INSERTED IT, if it was latex, as I am allergic. They lied.<br><br>
In addition, my milk didn't come in until Andrew was 6 days old. I think because of the IV induced edema. He lost 13% of his birth weight before he started gaining. I developped thrush from the antibiotics, which was agonizingly painful and wasn't diagnosed until Andrew was 2 months old.<br><br>
Although the recovery nurse tried to give Andrew a bottle while I was still unconcious from the surgery (I was out for 2 hours because I over-reacted to the pain meds), my husband fought against it, finally demanding a LC before they gave in and let him hold the baby to my breast (they thought it was sick that he would even consider letting a baby suckle from an unconscious mother). Thank heavens my sister just happened to have the video recorder on for that little discussion, so I have a permanent record of just how awesome my knight in shining armor really is.<br><br>
I asked to see an LC my entire stay from the moment Andrew was born. That was Saturday early morning. They finally got around to sending one to my room late Tuesday afternoon.<br><br>
Through all this (and more, as any bf mom knows <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> ) Andrew has never had a supplemental bottle of ANYTHING. PERIOD.<br><br>
edited: Ugh, I sound so conceited. To be honest, I think the only reason I succeeded is because the birth experience went so horribly awry that, making breastfeeding work was the only way I could salvage any of my self respect and dignity. It was truly the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I could see how someone in this type of situation would want to quit, but I'm proud that I didn't.
 

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Amy, your relative is being given incorrect advice. She needs to get the baby on her breast---NOW!<br><br>
Of course, me ranting in cyberspace won't empower her and make her uninformed HCPs shut up ther stupid mouths!<br><br>
Every c-sec mom gets antibiotics IV and pain meds. I did with my first. 18 yrs ago. I bfed 1/2 pp, and every hour or two after that.<br><br>
Even Cipro is compatable with bf.<br><br>
I was on Dilaudid! Man that stuff is like heroin (so I have been told). My baby was still extremely alert. We roomed in.<br><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/meds/med-risks.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/meds/med-risks.html</a>
 

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Thank you all for your thorough replies. And DaryLLL, I keep saying that (she's being given bad information) but everyone else keeps saying "what do you know," sort of thing, "when did you go to medical school." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> And my mother is insisting that she (my brother's girlfriend) is so heartbroken that she can't nurse ...<br><br>
So what's the deal?<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I don't know. It sounds like it was painful for her and she didn't want to deal with the pain. Honestly, that's what I think it is.<br><br>
I don't know her well, she lives hours away and their relationship is pretty new (yes, the pregnancy was <i>very</i> early in the relationship, and they live hours apart from each other) so can't say if she's amenable to me trying to convince her.<br><br>
If I called a LLL leader in PA, near her, would part of their leadership role be to help convince her? I don't know ... DaryLLL?<br><br>
Will call my brother later, see if he can be convincing ...
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/oops.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="oops">T<br>
If a doctor ever asks you "Where did <i>you</i> go to medical school?!" Ask where she or he went, then say "Well, I'm going to find a doctor who went to a different one!"<br><br>
This from the late great Dr. Mendelsohn!
 

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Amy,<br><br>
You could find the phone # of her local Leader, or the website for their Group, so she knows where the mtgs are. IME, if the mom won't call the Leader herself, sadly she really does not want to nurse. It is one thing to be ignorant about what help is available, but if she has the # and won't call, she is not motivated. If the Leader calls her, she (your SIL) may listen and halfheartedly follow some of the advice. But will somehow fail, and quit, and say, I tried everything, I even talked to LLL Leader, etc.<br><br>
The saddest calls Leaders get are from the dads who want their wives to bf, but the wife just won't make the effort! The dads get all the info, but if the wife just won't pick up the baby and nurse often enough, it just won't work.<br><br>
So, get her the names, the #'s, the Group location and times, and see what she does. It is worth a try. It is her choice what to do with the info.
 

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I had a section and was on pain meds. They made sure to give me some that would be safe for the baby. Perhaps she should pump for a few days.<br>
My understanding is that most hospitals give out percocet or something similar for pain after sections and it is safe for the baby.<br>
Maybe she just doesn't want to nurse.
 

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Am thinking that the assessment that bro's girlfriend does not really want to nurse is the correct one.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I will, however, get the LLL info and pass it on.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Lot of good it'll do, though. I tried to bring it up with my brother on the phone before and he cut me of with "if we want to know, we'll ask."<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br><br><br><br>
What's so odd is that she's really (according to my brother, anyway, remembering that I don't really know her) "a hippie chick." Which to me meant a particular outlook that encompassed a lot of things, including BF'ing. Sad to think that's it's only clothing deep ...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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she may be a hippie chick but who knows what is going on for her really?? or anyhting about her background, what she might be dealing with<br><br>
and even a seasoned mum can lose confidence drastically when hit with lots of post partum drama and bad advice<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="dropjaw"> HOLY SHT!!!! Angie!!!! They could've killed you!!! That takes the cake for the most extremely mind-bogglingly stupid medical blunder I've heard this year I think.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="dropjaw"><br><br>
They were downright refreshingly paranoid about latex at the hospital I went to for DD. The one nurse grousing about all the precautions and special items for me shut her face when DH told her about the handprint the dentist left on my face from a light touch when he forgot one day about which gloves to use.<br><br>
In this day and age of ligitigation...my ghast is thoroughly flabbered that there's a hospital staff so abyssmally ignorant on this issue. You should write a letter of complaint, then look in the obituaries for which hospital legal eagle read your letter and had a heart attack on the spot! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 
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