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My 12 week old DD has been in cloth (cpfs) since birth and we've been fine until about 2 weeks ago. She has a rash that looks exactly like the diapers are burning her skin. The rash is only where the diaper touches her.<br><br>
I have a front loader and I've tried lots of detergent/vinegar/washing soda/baking soda combinations and nothing seems to help. I recently put her in huggies <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> until I could figure it out. The rash cleared up completely with the huggies. I have to find out what's causing this, I just can't do disposable diapers, but my poor baby is really suffering.<br><br>
At first I thought she was reacting to the degergent, but I've tried washing the whole load twice with nothing but hot water and the burning rash continues, so I'm starting to wonder if it's not the detergent after all. She isn't reacting anywhere else on her body.<br><br>
I'm probably leaving out important info but the kids are fighting and I can't think straight. I'm just hoping that someone can help me figure this out.
 

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You could try stripping the diapers--I've never done it, as we're new to CDing, but I'm sure there's a thread about it somewhere here. Hot wash with no soap seems like a good first step, but I know there are other things you can try, like RLR (which I'm not sure what that is) or running them through the dishwasher. Or hanging them in the sun, or a little bleach.
 

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sounds like bacteria to me not like detergent.<br>
i would boil all the cpfs or use a few tbsp of bleach in the first rinse on cold, then a HOT wash (turn up your HWH for this) with your detergent (what detergent DO you use?) then another hot rinse.
 

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Hmmm - what kind of dipes are they? Standard prefolds, hemp, etc? I learned, after a few weeks that my 3rd baby was sensitive to hemp so all the previous dipes I had I can't use <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> What kind of covers have you been using? Any changes on those?
 

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I just went to the store and bought some mountain green detergent to try. So far I've tried bio-kleen and several grocery store brands of free & clear (all, tide, arm & hammer) and the rash seems the same no matter what detergent I use.<br><br>
I agree that it's likely bacteria at this point. I did boil them once, I might do that again. I've never bleached my diapers but I think I'll give that a try too.<br><br>
My diapers are all unbleached chinese prefolds, and the covers are a mixture of bummis and wool soakers. The covers don't seem to affect the rash, it's all just where the diaper touches her skin.<br><br>
Wish me luck, I really need to get this solved.
 

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Its not so much what kind of detergent but the amount of detergent you use. It has to be completely rinsed out. Try stripping your diapers ( wash several times in hot water) Then to keep them build up free use much less detergent. I have a top loader with soft city water and can only use 1/2 teaspoon or less of detergent. ( I use Tide Free) Also use vinegar in the rinse of your regular laundry to keep detergent from building up in your machine. This helped me a lot. Since I've been doing this we have been rash free for over a year after battling rash for a year. I've always used prefolds. Hope this helps.
 

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Mine got a similar rash as a newborn and after much stress I finally figured out it was the Tide Free. Once I switched to All Free and Clear, it went away. Good luck, I know how hard that is.
 

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I've had this problem as well. Unfortunately, it was making me so crazy I tried a bunch of things as once and it worked, but I don't know what the problem really was now. LOL.<br><br>
Anyway, here's what I did:<br><br>
I turned my water heater up.<br>
I switched to purex free and clear.<br>
I washed my diapers with purex f/c and calgon on hot. Then I washed them 3 or 4 more times without detergent or calgon.<br><br>
Now when I wash, I use purex and about a cup of vinegar. I do a hot wash/cold rinse. Every other time I do another wash/rinse without adding detergent.<br><br>
I'm thinking that I might use a bit of bleach next time I was all my diapers because the diaper I pulled off DS this morning was so horrible/ammonia smelling I thought I would puke.<br><br>
Oh - I also use fleece liners at night. (That's when DS would get the burn/rash) That really helps. If the rash were coming up all the time, I'd start fleece all the time.
 

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I've also heard that the optical brighteners that are in most all detergents now can do this. and the brighteners are hard to strip out, as they bond to the cotton fibers.<br><br>
I'd bleach <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">: (and I'm not a bleach fan at all, don;t even own a single clorox wipe, LOL <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> )
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh - I also use fleece liners at night. (That's when DS would get the burn/rash) That really helps. If the rash were coming up all the time, I'd start fleece all the time.</div>
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This has been our only solution also. DD has had a couple of these "burn" rashes - they're awful. If I don't catch it in time, the rashes are so bad you can feel the heat coming off them like a sunburn. At that point, only hydrocortisone will clear them up quickly. She can't sleep when they're bad - she'll roll around and claw at herself all night, poor muffin.<br><br>
We use very little detergent and 5(!!) rinses - I'm 99% confident that here it's not a detergent issue.<br><br>
I suspect 2 things (if it's helpful). First, I think there might be a food allergy. She doesn't get a rash when she eats berries/citrus, but she seems to after she poops if we don't change her quickly enough (I think the OP's baby is too young for solids though).<br><br>
But mainly, I think it's urine next to the skin. I don't use fitteds or flannel/hemp next to her skin now - I've moved to pockets and AIOs with fleece inners, and use fleece liners in all her existing natural-fibre diapers. Unfortunately that seems to be our only solution, combined with nakkie time!
 

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Thanks everyone for the input!<br><br>
I hadn't thought of using liners...do you make your own or where can you buy fleece liners? Would regular fabric store fleece work?<br><br>
Also, how much bleach would you use? I'm not above using some, but I don't want to overdue it!<br><br>
I washed her diapers in the mountain green and then did 3 more hot water rinses with no detergent, and she's wearing one right now, so we'll see what happens.<br><br>
Perdita, I've wondered about allergies as well. She's exclusively bf right now and she doesn't have any other signs of sensitivity, but I think I'll keep track of what I'm eating just in case. It does seem to be the pee and not the poo that's burning her skin.<br><br>
Thanks again everyone!
 

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As for the fleece liners - I honestly just cut up a fleece sweater and an old blanket that was too small anyway. I'm sure you could buy them, but I tried the sweater first and it worked, so I thought, well why buy them now. I have way too many - because I only use them at night and wash every other day. And I have like 10.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I just went to the store and bought some mountain green detergent to try. So far I've tried bio-kleen and several grocery store brands of free & clear (all, tide, arm & hammer) and the rash seems the same no matter what detergent I use.<br><br>
I agree that it's likely bacteria at this point. I did boil them once, I might do that again. I've never bleached my diapers but I think I'll give that a try too.<br><br>
My diapers are all unbleached chinese prefolds, and the covers are a mixture of bummis and wool soakers. The covers don't seem to affect the rash, it's all just where the diaper touches her skin.<br><br>
Wish me luck, I really need to get this solved.</div>
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Check for any enzymes in the detergents you're using. My little ds gets the same thing from a couple of the detergents you listed. I started using sun only because it doesn't have any and he is fine now. If changing detergents doesn't work I would incline towards maybe not enough detergent, not clean enough or bacteria and use a small amount of bleach.
 

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Here's a little update, I put her back in the diapers after trying the mountain green and the rash reappeared <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">. Then I remembered I have some rice paper liners I bought when DD3 was still in diapers, so I started putting those in her diaper last night and the rash is much better this morning.<br><br>
I guess this tells me that whatever is causing the rash is in the cloth itself, since the rice paper doesn't really keep the pee away from her skin. The good news is I have an alternative to disposables while I try to solve the mystery.<br><br>
I guess I'll try bleaching them next. The mountain green detergent doesn't have enzymes or optical brighteners so I think I'll stick with it for now and assume there's some bacteria or maybe some residue from the old detergents that needs a few washes to get out.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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I already mentioned this and I dont know if anyone else did but have you tried just regular dawn not concentrated? I put 1 to 2 teaspoons in a load, depending on how many diapers I use. I dont use prefolds so.......<br><br>
But anywho, I do a prewash in cold, then I wash them in hot with the dawn. Then I do 3 cold rinses to make sure all of the soap is out of the diapers. Of course no softners of any kind but im sure you knew that. Since I have started doing this I have no smells and no rashes. I hope this helps. Oh Yeah, I also use diapers that have fleece on the inside, helps keep the moister off of baby.
 
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