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Hi all,<br>
I am having a tough time with my 5 (soon to be 6) year old DD. She has symptoms of depression and agression, and odd social behaviors similar to my autistic stepson. This behavior has gotten steadily worse since she was about 3 years old.<br><br>
Both my girls have their vaccinations, and my youngest has no apparent effects. I have racked my brain and the only thing I can come up with is the vaccines. She is not biologically related to my stepson with autism, so I know that isn't a biological link.<br><br>
My oldest was also a soy formula fed baby. THis was before I learned much about breastfeeding and was under the impression that formula was just as good. (My youngest is 31 months and still nursing.)<br><br>
I just don't know if its the formula or the vaccines, or something else. I have a lot of guilt because I've made some parenting mistakes - however they were mistakes that my own mother made and I turned out just fine - and she kept making the same mistakes for years!<br><br>
Who would I talk to about this concern? Do I need to take her to the pedi, or to a counselor, or what? I don't want her on any sort of medications if at all possible.<br><br>
Thank you in advance for any ideas.
 

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I'm sorry you and your little girl are having a rough time. I wouldn't blame any one thing for problems she may be having - unless there was some obvious change shortly after receiving a vaccine, in which case I would <i>consider</i> it (but would have to examine all the evidence before reaching any real conclusions). It doesn't sound like that's the case with your daughter, though, right? If she does have a behavioral or developmental issue, it's very probable that there are <i>many</i> contributing factors, which may include her genetic susceptibility to problems caused by soy formula, environmental toxins or vaccines. So it could be related to those things, but also may not.<br><br>
It's totally normal to feel guilty whenever anything doesn't work out the way we expected it to, but this really isn't your fault. Even if you could prove definitively that she has a problem and it was caused by the formula or the vaccines, you were doing the best you knew at the moment. That's all anyone can do. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
I personally would not take her to a run of the mill pediatrician. They would likely tell you that there's no way anything could be related to either vaccines or formula (which would be a lie) and that the only option would be medication or some sort of behavioral therapy - if they determine that there is actually a problem. I would find a pediatrician or FP who is knowledgeable about "alternative" treatments for behavioral problems, such as detoxing the body and dietary changes.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would find a pediatrician or FP who is knowledgeable about "alternative" treatments for behavioral problems, such as detoxing the body and dietary changes.</div>
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Or even an immunologist. Most doctors will prescribe dangerous psychotropic medications or give you a referral to a psychiatrist, who will also prescribe medication, rather than find out what's really going on.<br><br>
Make sure you get a full metabolic workup, which includes <b>copper/zinc</b> ratios. It has been recognized that elevated copper and low zinc causes depression and aggressive behavior. In fact, a study was just released on copper/zinc and postpartum depression.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hi all,<br>
I am having a tough time with my 5 (soon to be 6) year old DD. She has symptoms of depression and agression, and odd social behaviors similar to my autistic stepson. This behavior has gotten steadily worse since she was about 3 years old.<br><br>
Both my girls have their vaccinations, and my youngest has no apparent effects. I have racked my brain and the only thing I can come up with is the vaccines. She is not biologically related to my stepson with autism, so I know that isn't a biological link.</div>
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Just because your DD is not related to your DSS doesn't mean that your DD is not having a vaccine reaction. There may be no genetic link but that doesn't mean your DD is not suffering from a reaction.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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DO NOT feel guilty. When we (as mothers) know better, we do better. You know that maybe there is a link so try to make it better. You could try an Naturopathic doc that could help you. Also, you might research detoxifying your DD of metals she may have stored from the vaccines.<br><br>
The answer in short to your question is -- yes, there could be a link and you should research and find the answers for your DD. She doesn't have to be related to your DSS to be having vaccine induced issues. Good luck!
 

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Thank you all for your supportive words! It is so nice to be a part of a forum where the parents are similar to me, and "get" what I'm saying.<br><br>
She has always been an exceptionally bright child, but did not laugh out loud or seek interaction with others as a baby. SHe didn't laugh out loud till she was nearly 2. I had just turned 19 when I had her, so I feel like her doctor didn't take me seriously when I told her about the laughing thing. She has an incredible vocabulary, but is horribly socially inept - not just with other kids but also with me and her other family members. She doesn't understand personal space and boundaries, and gets right in people's faces, etc.<br><br>
She also had a reaction after her 12 months vaccinations. She got a very strange rash all over her body. I took her to the ER (we had gone out of town the day after those vax) and the doctor in this very small town ER thought it was a vaccine reaction. I believe he said it was the chicken pox vaccine that was the problem. The rash was lacy but raised, with tiny little red "chicken skin" bumps all over. After a few rounds of benadryl it went away.<br><br>
I just want to help my daughter. She and I have been through a whole lot together, and have a very close relationship. I am going to look for a more natural doctor for her. My step-son is medicated to the hilt and acts like a zombie and I do NOT want that for her. I am also going to look into a detox for her. She is overweight (not horrible, but enought to notice) and I'm thinking a detox would be good for her not just emotionally but physically as well.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Not laughing out loud until age 2 is definitely peculiar.<br>
I'd start looking for a DAN doctor.</div>
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Yeah. I can't <i>believe</i> your doctor didn't <i>listen</i> to you about that! I mean, I believe what you're saying, but that is awful! You know, she might be dx on the spectrum if you had her evaluated...maybe Asperger's or something? I'm not even <i>close</i> to being an expert in autism, but many people who are autistic are very verbal and intelligent - they just have trouble with social interaction. I couldn't agree more strongly about looking for a DAN doctor for your daughter.
 
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