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I have a few questions!<br><br>
I do know that frank breech, when the butt comes out first, is supposed to be the safest breech. Seems like it would be kinda big though right?! The butt plus the legs folded over it coming thru?!!? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br>
Also, is it really that bad if the feet come out first? Why? I can't see why unless coming out at all stimulated the baby to try to breathe and then choke because it doesn't have oxygen yet. Or if it made the cord more likely to prolapse or wrap?<br><br>
Are there are any other breech positions other than these? I think there are..... Are those dangerous?<br><br>
Ok, now a question about transverse. If a hand comes out first and no head right behind, is there NOTHING one can do to maneuver the baby into a workable position? Does transverse always mean that part of baby is stuck between your pelvic bone?<br><br>
Is my baby transverse? She feels like she is diagonal in my belly and most of the time I can feel her head right under my right breast. If she moves it bounces. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> It makes me worry a little though since I am term. Shouldn't she be staying head down by now? She did go head down for the first time in like 2 weeks yesterday but today I feel her head back up. I am so paranoid of a c-section!!!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/fever.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Fever">: LOL<br><br>
Lol I asked a lot of questions! Thanks mamas for sharing your wisdom!!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I'm neither a UCer nor a professional, but I've been reading about this issue lately. I'm not sure what can be done about transverse positioning. My gut says it would be best to try external version before labor starts.<br><br>
Frank breech is safest because the butt plus legs are usually about the same diameter as the head. Thus, once they have passed through the cervix, there's enough room to fit the head through the cervix. As the legs and butt individually are smaller than the head, they can get through a space that traps the head and compresses the umbilical cord, leaving the baby without oxygen.<br><br>
Are you sure your babe's head is up by your right breast and not her butt? I ask only because I personally would have difficulty distinguishing. My baby was briefly transverse around 22 weeks and it hurt like crazy - I had trouble walking and couldn't get comfortable at all. Even nowhere near term, it was a major strain on round ligaments. Now that I'm 34 weeks, the babe is often diagonal, and it doesn't feel anywhere near as icky. I think they have some leeway until closer to the beginning of labor when the head engages with the cervix.<br><br>
Have you checked out spinningbabies.com?
 

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My ds was frank breech (not UC, at the Farm), and the bottom is pretty big, but his head was big too, so I'm not sure it really makes a difference. It took me a long time to get his bottom out (one side of his bottom was crowning for a couple of hours), but once it finally budged, he was out to his belly, then with another push to the top of his head. Then I had to wait for the next contraction to get the top of his great big head out. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
A footling breech, where one or both feet come out first, is supposed to be more dangerous than frank - I think one reason is that the feet don't plug up the cervix very well, so there's an increased chance of a cord prolapse. I think the feet also don't always get the cervix to open up very well, so there's a chance that the baby will slip out up to the head, and then the cervix won't be open enough for the head to fit through? Something like that. I've heard of successful natural footling breech births, though. I don't really know actual statistics about that aspect of breech, since my ds was frank pretty much the whole time.<br><br>
There's also complete breech, where the baby is sitting cross-legged (instead of having his feet up by his head like frank breech) - I believe that's almost as safe as frank breech. And then I've heard mention once about a knee coming first, but I think that's really rare.<br><br>
Don't know much about the other questions. Good luck!<br><br>
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About external version: the thought freaks me out! I tried to move the bay the other day and she would not budge! Forcing it seems dangerous! Is it? Couldn't that maybe mess the cord up or something?
 

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Just FYI, my previous babes have both been head down since quite early, but those baby butts are BONY and really feel hard like you'd imagine a head would be. In fact, dd2 stuck her but out so much right above and slightly to the right of my belly button at term that I got a round circle of stretch marks...just around where her butt was sticking out. Thanks kiddo! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> Anyways, I'd hold off on declaring your baby breech just because you feel something hard where you'd expect a bottom to be...because it could just be the bottom!<br><br>
Also, statistically speaking, most babies turn. I think it's 7% at 38 weeks, 3% at 40 weeks that are breech. Since only about 3% of babies are breech at a term birth, just wait and don't worry. But since a lot of times doctors intervene in breech babies and induce them earlier, many babies who would have turned are surgically removed instead. (my cousin went through this...had a primary c at 38.5 weeks for her breech first child, then of course to routine repeat c sections. GRRRR.)
 

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Butts and heads are almost the same size. But if you poke the bump and it gives a little, it's usually the head. Butts don't rebound lol.<br><br>
I'm going to take homeopathic pulsatilla regularly to encourage the babies to move on their own. No versions for me.
 

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If you're absolutely certain the baby is transverse, you'll have to weigh the risks of version and of waiting to see what happens against the risk of attempting to deliver if the babe is still transverse when you go into labor.<br><br>
Version can mess with the cord. Active labor with a transverse baby can also mess with the cord.<br><br>
To be honest though, your description of the baby as "diagonal" doesn't sound transverse to me.
 

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Thanks you guys! You all made me feel better! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Esp. about the head an butt feeling the same...I guess I am just paranoid about a c-section lol.
 
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