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DH and I are trying to find a pediatrician in the next few weeks. We are in a bit of a bind. We found one we really liked, very bf'ing/AP-friendly, etc., but the location was a bit of a hike and we don't keep a car in this town.<br><br>
So we checked out our most convenient option. The doctor seemed nice enough and acknoweldged that every baby is different, and so forth, but then I flipped through the "booklet" they gave us. I found the following "pieces of advice," which sound straight out of Dr Spock circa 1945:<br><br>
--Respond to all cries in babies up to 3 months. You can't spoil a newborn, but after 3 months, you sure can. After that point, you should stop night feedings (they are a "bad habit of babies not properly trained at night"), and start letting them cry it out if they have "tantrums" at night. It's okay if the baby "only" cries for 60-90 minutes for the first week or so; pretty soon they'll learn to give up and go to sleep. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br>
--You can keep the baby in your room up to a month, but in a crib only, not in your bed. And baby must go to a separate room by 2 months, even if breastfeeding every 2 hours. (big problem: We don't have one at the moment (1-br apt). I don't have a choice and if they feel strongly about this, don't want to get involved with CPS for "unfit accommodations" or anything like that).<br><br>
--All babies should sleep 8 hours a night by 6 months, with absolutely no "2 a.m. feeding" (doesn't that term sound archaic)??<br><br>
--You should start solids by 4 months. Fruit and veggies in month 4; meats by month 5, etc.<br><br>
--Formula is "pretty close to breastmilk and a convenient option for many moms, so here are the brands we recommend that are just as good as breastmilk" (no mention of "breast is best").<br><br>
--Huge formula ad in the waiting room, although they do have a lactation consultant on staff.<br><br>
--When sleep-training an older child 2 and up, never rock or soothe them to sleep. Put them down tired. If a child screams, let him scream. If he tries to come out of the room, haul him back in there and BARRICADE THE DOOR. If he comes into your room, "firmly escort or order him out" and barricade him in his own room again. Come back ever 15 minutes to tell him he can come out if he "follows the sleep rules." A 2 YEAR OLD?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
Those are the major things that stood out to me, but I can't believe that in a town this AP-friendly, that this place is so popular!! I'm very sad and disappointed.<br><br>
So, I'm thinking that a few blocks' walk with baby in a sling might not be so bad, or even a $5.00 taxi (flat rate within city limits, which is nice). We live very close by the hospital, so for emergencies we'd be fine. I'd much rather go the distance than go to a doctor who thinks bottlefeeding and CIO for 90 minutes and locking kids in their rooms because they can't sleep are hunky-dory. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Anyone else having difficulties pediatrician shopping?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">OMG! You might want to introduce this ped to the current AAP guidelines, such as no solids until SIX months.</div>
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Yeah, 6 mos was what we were told in the breastfeeding course at the local hospital, which was taught by an excellent lactation consultant. It seems that the rest of town knows this stuff except these guys we met tonight! It's crazy!!<br><br>
The bf'ing course also recommended keeping baby in your room AT LEAST 6 mos to facilitate night feedings. This place is saying no night feedings after 4 mos? Sounds like they may be funded by formula companies (considering their ads and their feeding guidelines).
 

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It's so worth the extra time it takes to go to a good ped. I drive about an hour to see DD's ped and I am glad to do it. We used to have a ped like the one you just saw, and I felt like I could never trust her advice on ANYTHING. With the AP/BF friendly ped we have now I feel much more comfortable with his advice and approach to medicine.
 

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How can some peds be so far behind? I would go out of my way to avoid that doctor.<br><br>
I also know that with my dd's ped., I will often call them, without needing to go in...much better to talk to someone who supports your parenting style. I would drive far to see my dd's ped (we drive far for her dentist), but luckily we live close by.
 

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i'd be tempted to send that doctor's recommendations to...hell, anyone.<br><br>
maybe the AAP? i dunno...<br><br>
that man shouldn't be allowed around children...and definitely not mine!
 

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Pay the 5 bucks! it is worth it! We had a terrible ped to begin with and I really had to get into it with him over formula and vaccinations! It isn't worth the pain of dealing with that and then having to swtich later anyway!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">--Respond to all cries in babies up to 3 months. You can't spoil a newborn, but after 3 months, you sure can. After that point, you should stop night feedings (they are a "bad habit of babies not properly trained at night"), and start letting them cry it out if they have "tantrums" at night. It's okay if the baby "only" cries for 60-90 minutes for the first week or so; pretty soon they'll learn to give up and go to sleep. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br>
--You can keep the baby in your room up to a month, but in a crib only, not in your bed. And baby must go to a separate room by 2 months, even if breastfeeding every 2 hours. (big problem: We don't have one at the moment (1-br apt). I don't have a choice and if they feel strongly about this, don't want to get involved with CPS for "unfit accommodations" or anything like that).<br><br>
--All babies should sleep 8 hours a night by 6 months, with absolutely no "2 a.m. feeding" (doesn't that term sound archaic)??<br><br>
--You should start solids by 4 months. Fruit and veggies in month 4; meats by month 5, etc.<br><br>
--Formula is "pretty close to breastmilk and a convenient option for many moms, so here are the brands we recommend that are just as good as breastmilk" (no mention of "breast is best").<br><br>
--Huge formula ad in the waiting room, although they do have a lactation consultant on staff.<br><br>
--When sleep-training an older child 2 and up, never rock or soothe them to sleep. Put them down tired. If a child screams, let him scream. If he tries to come out of the room, haul him back in there and BARRICADE THE DOOR. If he comes into your room, "firmly escort or order him out" and barricade him in his own room again. Come back ever 15 minutes to tell him he can come out if he "follows the sleep rules."</div>
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Oh wow! Baby boot camp!
 

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How scary! Imagine how this ped influences people who turn to him/her for advice and guidance. Ugh!<br><br>
I think that the cab ride is definately worth it for the peace of mind. Not to mention how angry I would get just walking into that office in the future!
 

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I would go to the farther ped, even if it were a $20 cab ride. It's worth it. But first, I'd talk to this other ped. and inform him of the AAP guidelines, and hand him some literature on CIO and breastfeeding. Because a lot of babies are going to be damaged if parents listen to this idiot's advice.
 

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that is archaic, all right, to say the least... half of what is on that list I would almost call abusive... go to the other ped... never set another foot in this place... they are bad bad people.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">OMG! You might want to introduce this ped to the current AAP guidelines, such as no solids until SIX months.</div>
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The WHO recommends this too. What a shame.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If he tries to come out of the room, haul him back in there and BARRICADE THE DOOR.</div>
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I don't see how this is even legal? Frightening.
 

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I'd avoid that ped at all costs. I don't understand why a doctor is giving that "advice" anyway. I go to the doctor for medical problems, not parenting advice.
 

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Yeah, and it's a group practice of over 10 docs, which is quite scary!<br><br>
Archaic is right--I mean doesn't even Ferber himself admit that CIO at 3-4 months is too young? Of course we all know it's inappropriate at any age, but these people sound borderline Ezzo.<br><br>
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Yeah, my first thought was "safety hazard."
 

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Oh hell no, that's crazy! Can you imagine what would happen if you decide to delay/selectiv og pstrnyinhely vax or not vax at all? Their heads would explode!<br><br>
I think you should absolutely send them the FACTS that dispute their demands if you have the energy and time. If not, then you can start hollering from the treetops about their backward demands (because that sheet is full of demands, NOT suggestions or guidelines) to any and all friends who are thinking of using them.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh hell no, that's crazy! Can you imagine what would happen if you decide to delay/selectiv og pstrnyinhely vax or not vax at all? Their heads would explode!<br><br>
I think you should absolutely send them the FACTS that dispute their demands if you have the energy and time. If not, then you can start hollering from the treetops about their backward demands (because that sheet is full of demands, NOT suggestions or guidelines) to any and all friends who are thinking of using them.</div>
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I think I'll mail them the AAP recommendations and the WHO. They seem to be in violation of both!<br><br>
And yes, the vax schedules are all over the place and very "by the week and month", although not in the booklet. Wouldn't be surprised if they're the type to consider delayed or nonvaxing "neglect."
 

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I'm stunned.<br><br>
Goes to show a piece of paper on a wall doesn't mean he's smart.
 

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Ugh! Just reading that has made me have a sick feeling in my stomach as well as having conjured up quite a bit of rage. Is that the way you want to feel every time you take your dc to the doctor? I agree with pp that $5 is more than worth the awesome-sounding option that is more AP friendly. Heck, the walk with the sling would actually make it a nice outing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't see how this is even legal? Frightening.</div>
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No kidding. Especially given the OP's concern that the doc might call CPS over co-sleeping. In my book barricading the door is abuse AND neglect. Co-sleeping is neither.
 
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