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kittyhead - Congrats! I don't know where they get the "look like daddy" thing. If it were a girl, you wouldn't be upset if she grew up to have larger or smaller breasts or differently shaped labia, right? And yeah, when *does* the penis comparing session take place? While watching football? The 10th birthday? LOL. We're not circing, but I didn't have to work too hard on my argument after he saw a friend's newborn during a diaper change and just about threw up at the sight of blood. But of course people have gone out of their way to ask us about our plans if it's a boy, and then tell us exactly why our wishes are wrong. Everyone's got an opinion.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I do not know how having another girl will save me money <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wild.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wild"> I saw all these great markdowns today at this dept store near me. I gave away dd's baby holiday dresses, so I found some today for like $12 for next year. Plus some other adorable stuff. plus I am now buying all these fab colors for diapers. No money saved <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nut.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nut"></div>
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It doesn't save you money, unless you're really frugal and/or not into shopping!! LOL My DH couldn't believe I still went shopping for cute things for dd2 when we had soooo much from dd1 - some things I definitely handed down to her, but others I couldn't resist buying again, and then there were the matching dresses!! I went a little <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wild.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wild"> buying matching outfits for dd1 and dd2, I was like, come on, part of the fun of having 2 girls in less than 2 years is you gotta do the cute matching outfits!! DH was not convinced <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
Caroline - do you mind if I ask, what hospital did you have such a great experience in? Since we don't live all that far apart, I was wondering. I'm hoping my experience won't be too bad even though it won't be the birth center....I found out that a woman who works out at Curves around the same I do most mornings is an L/D nurse where I'm delivering - I'm so excited about this, from talking to her over the past couple weeks, she seems so sweet, she actually reminds me of my mother! She said she totally supports natural childbirth and will do everything she can for me, so hopefully she'll be on shift when I deliver! She even said she'd be my doula if DH ends up having left for his trip! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Anyway she's working the day we have our u/s so she said to come up after and she'll give us a private tour <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
The circ thing - if we have a boy, he'll be intact - but it did take DH a little while to come around to this, so give the men time to process it all <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> It helps that my DH has a weak stomach for blood, pain, etc. (I am still amazed he's made it through two births so far without fainting!) so all it really took was a little honest but graphic description of what they do to the baby, and then recounting how in my LLL work I've seen some babies who have been in so much pain after circ that they refuse to nurse for days, and DH was like, "ok, ok, stop, we won't do it!!" But this is the same guy who opposed my getting dd's ears pierced because he felt <i>that</i> was mutilating her without her consent!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I think, personally, that it's less important that sons look like their dads but I do think it makes sense to have brothers look the same. Not that I think it's OK to circ one boy just because his brother is, but at least I can see the point there. I think it's way more likely that brothers would be comparing their equipment than sons/dads.
 

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It doesn't save you money, unless you're really frugal and/or not into shopping!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br>
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Actually, I am quite frugal. But because of this, when I do go shopping which is a rare occasion (not a shopper, I netbuy, tp, ebay the most) I can get what I want. I also usually make it a point in Jan and July as well to get to the mall and buy markdowns which is what I did w the baby. I also bought myself new shoes which is a rare thing. Since I buy the most I can afford, they usually last a long time even if I wear them everyday. But saving money by having more kids is not going to happen here- esp another girl!!<br><br>
I am not a shopper or a looker, but a buyer. But if its not there, I do not buy it. Does that make any sense?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mischievous.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="mischief">
 

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bundlefishmama~i just had to buy the girls matching outfits too!! they just look so cute together!! my dh wouldn't let me get the girls ears pierced either for that exact reason! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
amy1st~you're lucky you're frugal by nature. im frugal by "i have to be cuz we're on a budget" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> i've been looking at the tp's and diaperswappers and the pin for dipes and i can't buy till the 30th, payday and its killing me!! they are just too darn cute!! plus i have to wait till we know its a boy or girl, cuz i've seen some adorable ones for both boys and girls!!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">bundlefishmama~i just had to buy the girls matching outfits too!! they just look so cute together!! my dh wouldn't let me get the girls ears pierced either for that exact reason! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
amy1st~you're lucky you're frugal by nature. im frugal by "i have to be cuz we're on a budget" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> i've been looking at the tp's and diaperswappers and the pin for dipes and i can't buy till the 30th, payday and its killing me!! they are just too darn cute!! plus i have to wait till we know its a boy or girl, cuz i've seen some adorable ones for both boys and girls!!</div>
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Actaully, frugal by nature now, but frugal also to keep within our means as well. It has helped us have no debt but our mortgage and allows me the ability to stay home w my dd1 and soon dd2.<br><br>
I know how you feel- all of those diapers are just so darn cute and yes it would kill me too! But, I started selling on the tp to build up my paypal to have fun with my diaper habit right now. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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BTW- what is the number now?<br><br>
2 girls<br>
2 boys<br><br>
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Well you ladies are a good influence on me, then! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I am nowhere near as bad as I used to be (when I was working) but I am still not as frugal as I should be for our budget's sake (as DH is always reminding me!)<br><br>
Mommy2girlies - actually after months of nagging I finally won DH over and got him to agree that I could get their ears pierced, so I did, and as I always like to say (and DH even admits!) it was the one and only parenting decision in 3 1/2 years where he's been right and I've been wrong! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mischievous.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="mischief"> I totally regretted it and so did dd1 (she had been begging for it) but it was so much more trouble than it was worth. She liked the novelty of it but that soon wore off when I had to chase her around the house to get her to let me clean them with the alcohol stuff, the earrings caught in her (very long) hair all the time, they'd fall out and get lost, etc., and dd2's got infected several times (guilty mommy here, having her on antibiotic ointments and all for vanity <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> ) Anyway we let them both close up. What a waste. Oh well, live and learn, right?
 

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Ok, so we found out we are having another boy...and we have so much stuff from ds1, but now I want to go get more "boyish" baby stuff as most of the nb stuff I have is green/ yellow b/c we didnt find out the sex <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> We are on a tight budget too, and those boy dipes are SO CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Whew, this is going to be an exercise in my frugality for sure. But so worth it.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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This is how dh felt when ds1 was born. So we had ds1 circ'd <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> (please dont flame me, I still really feel bad about it to this day. i was not informed, really had no idea.....) Dh watched the procedure and said he would never do that to one of his children ever again. And I feel the same! But to each, his own.<br>
So we won't be circ'ing ds2....and we will have 2 brothers that are different, but I figure if we dont make a big deal of it, they wont either....at least we have several years to figure it out. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
It is really hard being a parent!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">good morning everybody! looks like we are having a little boy!<br><br>
the tech came in and looked at the ultrasound and said "i dont know, it looks like it could be a girl but im not sure" and mr kittyhead said "honey, a little girl, thats wonderful!" and then the doctor came in and looked and said "nope, looks like a boy to me... look, there is the penis" and mr kittyhead said "WOO-HOO! WOO-HOO!" lol, he has been patting my belly all day and saying "My son!" with a dreamy look in his eyes... its too cute. i would have been happy with a boy or a girl (though i had a feeling all along that it was a boy) and i know that hubby would have loved a girl as well... but i also knew all along that he was hoping for a son. im happy for him, and for us.<br><br>
now a question. first thing i said when i found out it was a boy was "he's keeping all of his parts!" i dont know much about the whole circumcision debate (but i see that there is a whole section devoted to it!) it just seems kind of un-natural to me... plus a family member who works in a medical field explained to me how it is an unnecessary procedure. mr. kittyhead listened to my ranting about it, frowned a little bit, and said "but i want my boy to look like his daddy..." how do i answer that? i know he'll come around eventually... i just told him that i didnt think it would matter to our son that much.</div>
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I am VERY against circumcision. When we found out our 1st was a boy we thought that is what you do. I am so THANKFUL that our doula showed us otherwise. At first my dh was like this is what you do and blah blah blah. After researching and showing him the video he was like no way. He is soooo against it now. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/heartbeat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="heartbeat"> I am thankful everyday that we left our boy intact. As far as the look like dad, your son is not going to be looking at your dh's penis all the time. Our son is 5 and doesn't know the difference. When he is old enough and asks, we will tell him the truth. Head over to the circumcision board, it is full of info. Congrats! Little boys are so much fun!
 

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sarah~don't feel bad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> i know we've all made decisions based on the info that we had at the time, that later when we are more knowledgeable, we regret. but you're right, its hard being a parent. i always think that the choices i make now are going to affect my dd's for the entire life. it can sometimes be overwhelming. thats what we're here for. a shoulder to lean on <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
bundlefishmama~everytime i see a little girl w/ cute little earrings, i always give dh a smile and say please....he always says nope! plus, kya sucks her thumb and tugs on her ear, so im sure earrings wouldn't be a good combo w/ that. don't you hate it when they're right!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
amy~dh keeps watching me scour the net for cute dipes and he said last night "we need to come up w/ a limit that you'll spend each month on the diapers" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> i guess he knows how excited i am to start this. i wanna buy everything i see! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bouncy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bouncy">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">amy~dh keeps watching me scour the net for cute dipes and he said last night "we need to come up w/ a limit that you'll spend each month on the diapers" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> i guess he knows how excited i am to start this. i wanna buy everything i see! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bouncy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bouncy"></div>
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Are you married to my dh or one of his brothers? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> We had the SAME conversation. I agreed and came up w a plan. Anything I sell on tp or ebay, the $ is fair game. I also plan on selling the dipes again when dd2 grows out of them so we can get some cash back for the next size. I also showed him the total spent on Pampers/wipes etc for 36 mos last time. After that, he changed his tone. But watch the tp- its way too much fun!<br><br>
As far as ear piercing and circs. Please mamas, do not beat yourself up about what you did before and no one here has ANY right to flame either of you for your choices. I do agree, I hate when dh is right but, no one here unless they have not sinned or not made a mistake whether with money, their relationships, their parenting or anything can say anything judgemental about any of us.<br>
My dh likes to say that parenting humbled us. Its made our marriage grow and brought us closer and its the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my entire life. But that said, I am by no means the perfect parent and neither is he.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Are you married to my dh or one of his brothers? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> We had the SAME conversation. I agreed and came up w a plan. Anything I sell on tp or ebay, the $ is fair game. I also plan on selling the dipes again when dd2 grows out of them so we can get some cash back for the next size. I also showed him the total spent on Pampers/wipes etc for 36 mos last time. After that, he changed his tone. But watch the tp- its way too much fun!<br><br>
As far as ear piercing and circs. Please mamas, do not beat yourself up about what you did before and no one here has ANY right to flame either of you for your choices. I do agree, I hate when dh is right but, no one here unless they have not sinned or not made a mistake whether with money, their relationships, their parenting or anything can say anything judgemental about any of us.<br>
My dh likes to say that parenting humbled us. Its made our marriage grow and brought us closer and its the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my entire life. But that said, I am by no means the perfect parent and neither is he.</div>
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maybe your dh's long lost twin!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="laugh">:<br><br>
well said about parenting. i really like the way you said that, very true. and your dh is definetly right, parenting is humbling!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> just when you think you've got it figured out, dc's just let you know they're one step ahead! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wild.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wild">
 

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Kelly- I WISH I could figure it out. She is always a step ahead of us it seems. There are times in the middle of the night where we will say- how did she get smarter than us??
 

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I SO wish I had had someone like that when ds was born. I think that dh and I will feel somewhat guilty for the rest of our lives about it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> But yes, we did what we thought was right at the time. It's funny too, because we thought EVERYTHING else out to the T - our birth plan was pretty extensive and well thought out - but we just didnt explore circing, for whatever reason. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> Anyways, so we lived and we definately learned, which I guess is the point.<br><br>
mommy2girlies - thanks for the hugs! And Amy, you are so right in parenting is SO incredibly humbling. (man, the hormones are humbling, I am all teared up reading/ writing this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> )<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I SO wish I had had someone like that when ds was born. I think that dh and I will feel somewhat guilty for the rest of our lives about it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> But yes, we did what we thought was right at the time. It's funny too, because we thought EVERYTHING else out to the T - our birth plan was pretty extensive and well thought out - but we just didnt explore circing, for whatever reason. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> Anyways, so we lived and we definately learned, which I guess is the point.<br><br>
mommy2girlies - thanks for the hugs! And Amy, you are so right in parenting is SO incredibly humbling. (man, the hormones are humbling, I am all teared up reading/ writing this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> )<br><br>
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I am one of the few around here that think that circ'ing, although completly unnecassary, will NOT scar the child for life. I circ'ed my first son, not knowing any better, and the reaction he had was FAR less than the reaction my daughter had when they put an IV in at two days old. She screamed for the whole time, and whimpered for about an hour after, while I held her and cried. My son flinched. He was asleep before they bundled him up. (He was numbed for it). So although I agree there is no reason to do it and I would go back and change my decision if I could, I refuse to think that my son is going to have these long-lying issues. That would mean that most men our age in this country have issues (I don't know any who do). I would think that that also means that any child that had any trauma at birth would have life long issues...I just don't see it.<br><br>
I know it is going to get me in trouble for saying this, but I hate seeing mothers with such guilt for doing what they didn't know any better for...when we know better, we do better. And as PP have said, how often does penis comparison come up?? If we don't make a big deal to our sons that we DID circ and now regret it, why would they make a big deal of it?<br><br>
And yes, I DID watch the circ (through a glass door). I did take care of it for the week after...
 

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Caroline, For me, it's really not that I think he is/ will be scarred for life, it's more that I egret infringing unnecessary pain on him, kwim? My guilt comes from subjecting a tiny newborn babe (my babe!) through that, for really no reason at all. That's all.....but like you said, you know better you do better, and we will not be circing ds2 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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Caroline248<br> I know it is going to get me in trouble for saying this said:
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Caroline- this won't get you in trouble at all, you're right- why should any mamas feel guilt over doing what they didn't know any better for. If anything lets applaud these parents for taking a stand next time and doing something different and learning in the process. Besides, I almost always learn from my previous experiences that the next time something happens, I know to do that again or differently.<br><br>
If I had a dime for every time I have heard someone say or post that they do not read mothering or visit here anymore was because they were made to feel inferior for their choices, I could retire tomorrow. Peggy even mentioned that in her last issue that she has heard mothers say directly to her that her publishing made them feel this way. I really do not think this magazine set out to do that or did this mdc forum when it was formed.<br><br>
Since natural living has gotten more into the mainstream and more people realize this lifestyle, we are going to face some judgements that are pro or against whatever you plug in here. Since I have been judged for my choices in birthing, CLW, not cio, cd or not, co sleeping, delayed vax (from non vaxers and vaxers alike!!), being a sahm, voting for one candidate over another, being catholic, italian, white, suburban, frugal, anything else??? So I try to make it my business not to judge others on their choices since I knew how I felt when I was judged for mine- some of which I had no control over!<br>
Its a crazy world isnt it? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Peace.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Peace">
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Amys1st</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">If I had a dime for every time I have heard someone say or post that they do not read mothering or visit here anymore was because they were made to feel inferior for their choices, I could retire tomorrow.</div>
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Amen! It's been the same IME and it's terribly sad b/c so often it is mamas who are living a lifestyle that others are pointing fingers at, then coming here and pointing fingers at one another. Like that old psychology story you here, dad yells at mom, mom yells at the kids, the kids kick the dog... Good for you for being the kind of mama that stops that process and instead turns around and gives a <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> instead. Even if you don't "agree" - I find that pretty rare, in life, but even moreso here.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"> anyway...just good for you!
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>mountainsun</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I SO wish I had had someone like that when ds was born. I think that dh and I will feel somewhat guilty for the rest of our lives about it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> But yes, we did what we thought was right at the time. It's funny too, because we thought EVERYTHING else out to the T - our birth plan was pretty extensive and well thought out - but we just didnt explore circing, for whatever reason. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> Anyways, so we lived and we definately learned, which I guess is the point.<br><br>
mommy2girlies - thanks for the hugs! And Amy, you are so right in parenting is SO incredibly humbling. (man, the hormones are humbling, I am all teared up reading/ writing this <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> )<br><br>
Thanks mamas......</div>
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Oh mama <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/luxlove.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="throb"> I am not trying to make anyone feel guilty. I could have and would have been in your shoes if it weren't for my doula. That's why I want to get the word out about it. I really wish doctors would explain in more detail to parents about it. How it's useless and the aap doesn't support it. Other countries can't believe that we do this to our baby boys. The most important thing now is you know about it! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> I don't want to come off harsh, this is just something I am very passionate about!
 

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coco4cloth - no offense taken! I totally understand and really really respect your passion about the issue! I feel pretty strongly about it now, too, so I am glad that you said what you did <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Honestly, my OB said NOTHING to us about it until after he was born. And then it was just "Are you circing?" Nothing more, nothing less. I mean, NOTHING! nada, zip, you would think it was the same as "Will you bathe him," or something else just as harmless. I think you should get a full color pamphlet with each part of the procedure in graphic detail. But then again, that could be said about all aspects of health, vax, nutrition, labor/ birth in general.<br><br>
OK, I digress! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blah blah"><br><br>
That is also why I will not hesitate to tell anyone that yes, ds 1 was circed, and no, ds2 will not be. So, really, thanks and kudos!
 
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