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Hey Ladies... I am brand spanking new to the cloth diapering world! I can remember my mom swooshing poo cloths around in the toilet when I was little for my siblings, but that's ALL the experience I have. I am expecting number two in late September, and REALLY want to CD... But I don't really know where to start.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> There are SO many options! While the fancy diapers are really appealing, I know that they are out of my league financially so I'm looking specifically for prefold advice. I've read a few threads on here so far, but I've not really found quite what I am looking for... I just want to know the "survivalist" diaper info. Questions that I need some clarification on....<br><br>
Are dirt cheap prefolds going to function as well as the pricier ones? I am looking at clothdiaper.com specifically. I want to go with unbleached to avoid chemical stuff, and because they are supposed to be more durable. Is the durability thing with unbleached true?<br><br>
How many will I need? I am thinking of just getting one size, infant(I don't think I'll need the tiny premie ones) and then buy more when I need them. We line dry, and that can slow down the washing process, but I don't really want to be washing everyday if I don't have to either.<br><br>
Do I really need "doublers"? Can I get 4x8x4 as opposed to the 4x6x4 and have that make up for absorbancy issues? Is it too much to fold up another prefold and put it inside one for a little baby? Is hemp REALLY that much more absorbant? I was thinking of getting a few hemp prefolds to use as doublers for overnight and naps... Will the smallest ones work for that purpose throughout the whole diapering process, infant to toddler?<br><br>
On size... For the life of me I can't remember how long it took my first son to get to 15 pounds, but if I get a 7 to 15 pound size, how long should I expect those to last?<br><br>
Covers... I am picking up my sewing machine in July, and I want to make my own fleece covers. Is that economical, or would it be cheaper to buy cheapo covers? I really want fleece, but the ones online are so expensive.<br><br>
Shipping... Shipping I've heard is expensive... Would it be better to get quite a few dozen(getting more sizes at a time) than just the bare minimum to save on shipping?<br><br>
I think that's it for now... Thanks so much in advance... I'm lost! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hey Ladies... I am brand spanking new to the cloth diapering world! I can remember my mom swooshing poo cloths around in the toilet when I was little for my siblings, but that's ALL the experience I have. I am expecting number two in late September, and REALLY want to CD... But I don't really know where to start.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> There are SO many options! While the fancy diapers are really appealing, I know that they are out of my league financially so I'm looking specifically for prefold advice. I've read a few threads on here so far, but I've not really found quite what I am looking for... I just want to know the "survivalist" diaper info. Questions that I need some clarification on....<br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">I'll help you with the answers I know. . .</span><br><br>
Are dirt cheap prefolds going to function as well as the pricier ones? I am looking at clothdiaper.com specifically. I want to go with unbleached to avoid chemical stuff, and because they are supposed to be more durable. Is the durability thing with unbleached true?<br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">I've seen how cheap $$$ the prefolds at clothdiaper.com are, but you might want to check out their shipping price. I was going to order some but the price of shipping made it just as high as any other website. Also, this is not a popular opinion, but Gerber prefolds work just fine for me doubled up! I'm sure the DSQ ones would work pretty good if you are really on a limited budget(I know, cloth diapers are cheaper in the long run no matter which way you go, but if you're like me, you can't hardly afford to take $5 out of every paycheck).</span><br><br>
How many will I need? I am thinking of just getting one size, infant(I don't think I'll need the tiny premie ones) and then buy more when I need them. We line dry, and that can slow down the washing process, but I don't really want to be washing everyday if I don't have to either.<br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">For every 2-3 days I would say 36-48. This is PLENTY enough for me. Some other moms will tell you more, but I think it depends on the babe. You could always start out with this and buy more if you find you need more.</span><br><br>
Do I really need "doublers"? Can I get 4x8x4 as opposed to the 4x6x4 and have that make up for absorbancy issues? Is it too much to fold up another prefold and put it inside one for a little baby? Is hemp REALLY that much more absorbant? I was thinking of getting a few hemp prefolds to use as doublers for overnight and naps... Will the smallest ones work for that purpose throughout the whole diapering process, infant to toddler?<br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">I haven't needed them yet(my baby's only 6 weeks old) but I'm sure I probably will. But, instead of buying doublers, if you have any old washcloths lying around you can make doublers out of those. Actually, pretty much any absorbant material, but washcloths are easiest 'cause all you have to do is fold in thirds. Also, if you want them to be "special" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> you can fold them and sew a layer of thin fleece on top (for the side touching the babe's skin) and they will be stay dry doublers! Just make sure your fleece is thin. It doesn't necessarily have to be microfleece, I made some w/ cheap fleece from Walmart on top and tested one out and it works great!</span><br><br><br>
On size... For the life of me I can't remember how long it took my first son to get to 15 pounds, but if I get a 7 to 15 pound size, how long should I expect those to last?<br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">This I can't help you with . . .</span><br><br>
Covers... I am picking up my sewing machine in July, and I want to make my own fleece covers. Is that economical, or would it be cheaper to buy cheapo covers? I really want fleece, but the ones online are so expensive.<br><br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">If you can get the fleece cheap, it's least expensive to make your own. But if it's pricy, then it might be less just to buy cheapo covers. Depends on the price of the fleece, though. I've actually made some daytime pocket AIOs with Joann's no pill fleece (when it was on sale as it is right now) for outer layer and cheap thin walmart fleece for inner layer, and bought some microfiber towels from auto section of walmart, and these work awesome(and cost even less than most covers)! So you could probably make some fleece covers from the no pill fleece from Joanns for daytime.</span><br><br>
Shipping... Shipping I've heard is expensive... Would it be better to get quite a few dozen(getting more sizes at a time) than just the bare minimum to save on shipping?<br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">Yes</span><br><br>
I think that's it for now... Thanks so much in advance... I'm lost! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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Honestly, I think flats would be a better choice for the most economical diapering choice. But I'm a bit biased as I prefer flats over prefolds- easier to customize fit and absorbency, and virtually one-sized so you don't need to keep getting bigger ones. The ones from clothdiaper.com are also the most commonly found flats (Babies Textile flats) and good quality.<br><br>
Regarding the fleece covers, I think the type/thickness/quality of fleece really makes a difference in how good it will turn out. You may want to check the diaper making forum on specifics as I don't sew <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> .
 

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We loved prefolds once we got used to them. If you are a total newbie you might want to come to flats a little later in the game so you don't frighten yourself away... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> JMO, I don't think DH could have handled flats on top of CDing!<br><br>
A good money saving idea is to see if there is a diaper service in your area and call them about getting "retired" PFs. Mine sells them by the POUND for $5.00. They are loved, yes, but sooo soft and absorbent and really great diapers. And they might wear out after, say, a year, but at by the pound prices, really, you can get more!
 

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What is the difference between flats and prefolds? Can you use covers with flats?
 

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Fleece covers are my favorite. I made most of mine. I use a pull-up style pattern because it's easier and quicker to sew (no velcro or snaps) and because my daughter can't take them off. Anyway, all I did was buy fleece during a sale at JoAnn's (alpine fleece) and sew covers using the free Wee Weka knickers pattern (sorry I don't have the link at the moment, but if you search yahoo for Wee Weka knickers you'll get it).<br><br>
If you use that pattern, make the rise longer; they're too low-cut to cover a PF. But with some added rise, they're perfect, super comfy, cheap, and cute! (I added appliques on the butt of some of them and they're adorable.) I use two layers of fleece for nighttime covers.
 

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Flats are huge, thin cloths -- they're what's "prefolded" in the prefolds. Yes, you need a cover for these because they are just cotton.
 

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Ohhh okay. I was trying to decide between flats and prefolds- flats seemed so much cheaper.
 

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Hey mama! Congrats on looking forward to CD with your 2nd LO!<br><br>
You might want to check out <a href="http://www.diaperswappers.com" target="_blank">www.diaperswappers.com</a> for "loved" covers!<br>
(It's a swap site like MDC trading post, but pretty much all related to diapers!)
 

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Oh! Yeah! Thanks so much ladies... kbstanley3, you helped oodles! We are on a super limited budget, and I'm trying my best to ignore my girly-poo feelings and go with the bare-minimum I need. I think I'm in luck though... I just went to clothdiaper.com, and they have a lot of sales right now... If I buy factory seconds, I can get three dozen of the thicker(more absorbent) infant dipes, plus two dozen of the thicker regular(larger) dipes for $1.11 per diaper, and that is including their high shipping cost. I think that even beats the total cost at the places that offer flat-rate and free shipping. At that rate, I can afford to tack on a "comfort dozen" or two so I don't have to wash as often. Another question...<br><br>
Are factory seconds worth investing in, or am I gonna get a bunch of mutant diapers?<br><br>
As for flats, they have those cheap... But I wouldn't know where to begin getting those giant hankies onto a baby's toosh. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Any links on folding patterns, or any personal advice?
 

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I'd go with 36 of the 4x8x4 infant prefolds.<br><br>
You can make your own fleece covers but really only malden mills fleece will hold up and provide the kind of protection you want.<br><br>
A thick prefold and a fleece cover will be super bulky especially on a newborn.<br><br>
I personally prefer wool over fleece. If you or someone close to you knits then you get a full garmet from the soakers and pants.<br><br>
I hope that helps.
 

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I've bought seconds from clothdiapers.com and I am SO pleased with them! I absolutely cannot tell what is supposed to be wrong with them. I think I paid $8.95/dozen, and then about $8 shipping. They're super, though! I LOVE them.<br><br>
I also have some flats from little-lions.com. I didn't think I was going to like them. They arrive SO thin. I wrote to complain, and the cust. serv. rep. told me they shrink up when washed, and encouraged me to wash one 3-4 times and see what I thought. If I STILL disliked them, he would give me ALL my money back. Even after I washed it, I still wasn't thrilled. So I wrote again for a return label. He told me to go ahead and keep the one I washed. Since I could keep it anyway, I decided to try it as a diaper. I was CONVERTED! I loved it! I ended up washing all of them and now those are what I use most often. I really don't find them difficult at all to fold. You can do fancy folds. I just fold them in half and then thirds.<br><br>
With flats, as they get older and pee more, just lay two flats together before you fold.<br><br>
I guess it depends on how big your baby is, but I would skip the infant size and just go with the premium. My DS was 9.8 when he was born, and at three mo. is 15 lbs or so, and those infants would have fit him for SUCH a short time. I would get a dozen or so flats for the infant stage, even if you want to do prefolds ultimately. And honestly, folding down prefolds was never a big deal, to me; it wasn't that much bulkier.<br><br>
All together, assuming you get all flats or all one size PFs, I'd say three dozen diapers. I've got about that many, and while I typically wash them once a day, I do have enough to go a day or two without.<br><br>
Oh--one more thing. Gerber prefolds DO work. They're not the greatest, but they're fine, no matter what people say on here. BUT, the flats are CRAP. DO NOT get them. They are SO thin, even after washing.<br><br>
HTH!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'd go with 36 of the 4x8x4 infant prefolds.<br><br>
You can make your own fleece covers but really only malden mills fleece will hold up and provide the kind of protection you want.<br><br>
A thick prefold and a fleece cover will be super bulky especially on a newborn.<br><br>
I personally prefer wool over fleece. If you or someone close to you knits then you get a full garmet from the soakers and pants.<br><br>
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Megan: Mind if I PM you with some wool soaker questions?
 

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Megan: That's what I was thinking would be best for a newborn... The thicker ones. I am a bit worried about bulk, but try to keep in mind that when they are that little, they mostly lie there and sleep anyway. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I thought wool sounded nice, but ultimately choose to go with fleece because DP is a vegan... He wouldn't like that.<br><br>
OldFashionedGirl... Wow! Thanks for the flat info, and the reassurance on the seconds! I didn't think that a loose sting or two would be a big deal either. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I think I'll be adding some flats to my stash as well... A little versatility never hurt.<br><br>
I do think I'll need the infant size... It's supposed to go up to fifteen pounds, and I've got a hunch that this baby is going to be a bean pole like it's daddy. My first baby was almost nine pounds, but he was the long skinny type, very lean, he took *forever* to switch diaper sizes in 'sposies... My family just throws lanky babies, and pairing that with a bean pole daddy, I think this one'll have plenty of room to grow in the infant size. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
As for Gerber... My mom used Gerber on us kids. I can remember them shredding and mom complaining, but she used em anyway, it's all she had access to. If it's all I had, I'd do it... It worked for my momma. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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I would start out with 36 diapers (infant prefolds or flats), a package of pins, a couple snappis, and 3-6 small covers. That should be plenty to get through 3 days (although you'll probably handwash some covers in between then, which is easy). Affordablediapers.com has good cheap covers, including fleece and wool shorts. It's pretty easy to make your own fleece or wool covers, shorts, or pants too. And honestly, the cheapo Gerber vinyl pants work fine for us, and they're super trim.<br><br>
I never used doublers and my oldest son wore prefolds the whole time he was in diapers. Prefolds and covers worked fine. The unbleached ones are more durable than the bleached but it doesn't make a difference until you've been using them for 2+ years.
 

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I used only prefolds and dappi pull-ons ($7 per pack of 2 covers) until ds was like 9 months. My prefolds were great, I had 36 of them, and the covers were so trim I did'n't have to size-up in clothes. They're not the most absorbant covers but when you're changing dipes every 2 hours it doesn't really matter!<br><br>
Congrats on the CD decision!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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I think your plan looks like a good one, and the gerbers worl, but they are really not much cheaper especially when you take how long they last vs the good ones into consideration.<br><br>
How would your dp feel about recyled wool? Like a sweater from the thrift store. I think that would be cheaper than buying fleece, but not positive. I just love wool, and love having the natural fibers against baby. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
I know vegans have different feelings about recycled animal products, etc, so thought I'd throw it out there.
 

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You can definately do it for really cheap. I found many times that with prefolds I spend less buying them NEW from a store with free shipping (little-lions is one) that I can buying used. They are heavy, so free shipping is a BIG help. I think you could make your own cover from fleece or wool for really cheap as well. I got some fleece sweaters from garage sales and thrift stores. for like $.25. Each can make 2 wrap style covers and one pair of longies. Or if you knit or crochet you can make wool (or acrylic!) covers that way as well. I love wool, but my second choice is fleece and last is PUL or nylon. WIth wool, you dont have to wash as often, so that's nice. Plus they double as clothing! HTH
 
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