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...My Dad said this to me today!! OMG! Let me explain:<br><br>
I do not share my anti vax status with my parents because they don't just worship Docs, they abuse the medical establishment! They are in a Doc office for every sniffle, sneeze, feeling ,etc. Docs in exchange fill them up with antibiotics and more...told my Mom acidopholus and most supplements coud interfere with her meds so STOP THEM NOW! But today Dad is complaining while digging thru Moms many prescription bottles abotu how she starts and stops these things etc. All I say is NO WONDER she is always sick! HE suddenly says "If it wasn't for medicines you coulda dioed whe nyo uwere young!" I said "You have me confused with my sister again!" She was sick alot and even had salmonella around age 4.<br><br>
He says NO! If it weren't for medicine, chicken pox would have killed you! Ummm... I remember having CP, not too bad but paranoid parents. HE yells "CHICKEN POX KILLS! SO DO THE MEASLES!" WTF? HE went on about how he knew peopel who died etc. I then told him MEDICINE given during CP kills, lack of vitamins, proper nutrition, and immunosupression help too. Also people die from alot of everyday things! He finally walked out.<br><br>
OH they are so damn brainwashed. Worse than ever. This is why I never share my knowledge near them! It is like a double life! Away form them I am nknown as the no vax chic! Peopel are reffered to me at times.<br><br>
Vent over-for now!
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> oh boy...<br>
well if you listened to CDC, I guess I should be dead b/c I got CP 39 years OLD... for the 1st time !!<br>
Sure I was really sick for 3 days (7/8 day total) but I survived.<br><br>
ummm, my DD got CP @ 18 months AND 18 YEARS OLD.. same with her - really sick for several days but she survived
 

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I guess I am really lucky to be alive. I managed to survive measles, mumps and rubella. I am not sure if I have had chicken pox, but I was most certainly exposed to it when my brother and cousin (who was living with us at the time) had them. I have also been exposed to them as an adult and never got them.<br><br>
Thanking my lucky stars.... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">
 

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This spring, over 20 children in ds' Kindergarten had chicken pox.....and most of their siblings too....and even a dad!!! Not one person died!!!
 

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Chicken Pox is deadly? You know on one ever heard this until they came out with a vax. I've always been taught that the measles was deadly, but then again I was born when they already had a vax for it, but my mom had it when she was younger, as well as the mumps and such. I remember having chicken pox, and yeah I was uncomfortable and itchy for a week or two, but I certainly wasn't deathly ill. My brother and sister had it too, and we weren't given any meds, just oatmeal baths and lotion, and we all recovered with no complications. From what I understand, chicken pox puts about a hundered kids in the hospital every years and about forty die. Well, just how many children are in the US? A couple million, right? I have also been lead the believe that most of the children that do end up in the hospital either have secondary infections or underlying medical conditions that make them especially susceptible to illnesses. So that means that the risk of a normal, healthy child dying of chicken pox is very low.
 

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Well I am gonna jump in here. I had them at 26 and had to be hospitalized due to major complications, very rare indeed. But most children are exposed before then, I just slipped through the cracks I guess. That being said I still didn't vax Josh for them, I want him to get them, just not as an adult. The virus is really different in an adult body.<br>
But you gotta love the scare tactics, expecially from parents
 

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Bebesho2:<br><br>
Ask your father just how come his grandparents got around to even conceiving his parents, and whether they subsequently died of chickenpox or measles?.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well I am gonna jump in here. I had them at 26 and had to be hospitalized due to major complications, very rare indeed. But most children are exposed before then, I just slipped through the cracks I guess. That being said I still didn't vax Josh for them, I want him to get them, just not as an adult. The virus is really different in an adult body.<br>
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The problem with the chicken pox is that it is very different in an adult as a disease...<br><br>
that said, with this generation of children being given the chicken pox vaccine, they may be postponing having the disease and it may be devastating to them later...<br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
So sad that iatogenic epidemics like this happen.
 

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ITA!!! That scares me so bad! I would not wish adult ChickenPox on even the most evil people on the planet!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well I am gonna jump in here. I had them at 26 and had to be hospitalized due to major complications, very rare indeed. But most children are exposed before then, I just slipped through the cracks I guess. That being said I still didn't vax Josh for them, I want him to get them, just not as an adult. The virus is really different in an adult body.<br>
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Wow,that is awful! I had them at 20 years old but no complications. May I ask what happened with you? What kind of complications did you have?
 

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Semantics. It's not cp that's deadly, it's the rare complications that could be. And if we're talking rare complications, then the common cold is deadly too.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Semantics. It's not cp that's deadly, it's the rare complications that could be. And if we're talking rare complications, then the common cold is deadly too.</div>
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Exactly, there are rare complications to all the common childhood diseases, and yes, those rare complications can and do kill. The death rate from chickenpox is low, low, low, but it can and does happen. Whether or not that warrants a vaccine, that's a personal decision that we each need to make for ourselves, and I my DS has not been vaxed for chickenpox. But your dad may very well know someone who did die from those complications. I don't know about in the US, but in the UK my grandmother did know a child who died from measles. Having proper nutrition was not easy in Britain during the war when all the regular working or middle class folks were on rations. I still don't know if that warrants a vaccine, but you should at least respect that your dad may believe what he does for more reasons than just brainwashing.<br><br>
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That is what is funny! Iremember having CP and it not being a big deal. Albeit, I was extremely overmedicated asa child-over evaluated. I was always at Doctors, always getting allergy shots too. Of course, the shot office was next to our Chiropractors office-so I'd go to chiro. and then get the shots! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> I as on seldane too-now considereda horrid drug of the past. And hosnetly, my allergies were not that bad prior to tha crap. but if you had the title DOCTOR in front of your name, my parents would shell out the bucks to get us there!<br><br>
As for asking my Dad-it is a waste of time. He always has supposed horror stories. His mom didn't breastfeed due to inverted nipples (heard thsi from her before she past too) but I know that is not a REAL reason but women are/were told that is/was. BUT he will argue me cause a Doc said it was true. CP is deadly-of course his Doc said so!<br><br>
Funny thing is the y got to a very OPENLY anti vaccination Chiropractor now! Posters all over. But he is just there for their ouchie back and is WHACKY liek that! Oh to be IGNORANT and BRAINWASHED!
 

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my son had it back in the fall so he was about 31 months old and it went well <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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My dcs are just getting over chicken pox right now. Veeerry mild.<br>
I was pleasantly surprised by the reactions of all the medical personel I spoke with at Kaiser (I'm always sure to stay on top of appointments, etc so there is a record of this in case we ever need it). No one batted an eye when I reminded them that ds (4yo) is unvaxed and would be coming down with it too (dd 9 mo got it first). Two nurses even agreed that they would never have vaxed their own (now grown) children for CP. One even said she wondered what grand experiement they have going on vaxing all the children for varicella as she recalls the great measles outbreak among vaxed college students in the late 80s.
 

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well if you listened to CDC, I guess I should be dead b/c<br><b>I got CP 39 years OLD... for the 1st time !!</b>Sure I was really sick for 3 days (7/8 day total) but I survived.<br><br>
ummm, my DD got CP @ 18 months AND 18 YEARS OLD.. same with her - really sick for several days but she survived</div>
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by applejuice<br><br>
I had no complications & neither did my DD when she got them a SECOND time @ age 18 YRS.<br><br>
We both had <b>really bad cases of CP</b> but came out ok<br>
I think it just depends on your particular body as fas as how you handle CP as an adult.<br><br>
BTW -when I got CP @ age 39, I was having a really tough time medically. I was pretty sick with other issues & under a TON of stress.
 
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