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by Steven Ertelt<br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Beijing, China(LifeNews.com) -- A Chinese woman who lost her job and was pressured to have an abortion after she became pregnant continues to be tortured in a governmental prison because she refuses to relent from her position against China's population control policies. Mao Hengfeng has suffered during her imprisonment at a "re-education labor camp" somewhere in China. She was sentenced to the camp for two years.</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">"HRIC's sources say camp police bound Mao's wrists and ankles with leather straps, and then proceeded to pull her limbs in separate directions, while demanding that she acknowledge wrongdoing," the group added.<br><br>
Sixteen years ago, Mao was fired from her job at a soap factory after she became pregnant for a second time. She refused to have an abortion, which Chinese population control officials mandated.</td>
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Wow, I feel so helpless. I want to do something anytime I hear something like this......I just don't know what I *can* do. Ugh, it is so sad that people get treated this way. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">
 

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I can't believe I just read that!<br><br>
Well, the China prison abuse thing I can believe (not that its good, just not surprising).<br>
I can't beleive Bush is putting money into something that might actually help someone other than himself! Woah... I think this is the first time I agree with him...<br><br>
wait a minute... I should read that again...wow I did read it right.
 

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I feel like throwing up! Today I watched Oprah which talked alot about the control policy in China. It is so wrong and evil. I wish they would change the policies or at very least, make it less expensive to adopt Chinese children. I would adopt one and I know God would supply us with what we needed for their care, but I can't afford the process.<br><br>
I am so sad. No matter what we have to complain about in the us, we trult are blessed. I will have Mao and her family in my prayers.<br><br>
I want to cry!
 

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How horrible. I honestly don't know how those people live with themselves. Torturing her like it's the middle ages, and for what? Choosing to let her babies live?<br><br>
Dear God, please help Mao and women like her all over China. Help their babies. Turn the hearts of those in power so that they may see children as the blessings that they are and allow them to be born. And once they are born, help their generation rise up and turn China into a free country where this kind of totalitarianism will never be accepted again.
 

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horrible
 

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I know, I know. :Tsk<br><br>
I have read it over & over & over a bunch of times<br><br>
I hate being helpless to crap like that.....<br><br><br>
I keep asking over & over..... <span style="font-size:x-large;">"WHY"?</span> <b>Why</b> did they see this as a solution in China? <b>Why?</b> Couldn't a better one be found???? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hopmad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hopping mad"><br><br>
Sheeshhh..........
 

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I have heard that the 1 child (2 in rural areas) policy is not a law, and that nobody is tortured or gets in trouble (besides financially) for violating it. This says otherwise. I don't know which to beleive, I am honestly hoping that this story is false. It seems like, instead of forcing abortions they would just force sterilization <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
Anyway, that is a very sad horrible story and hopefully those of you who are outraged by it will continue to boycott Wal-mart.<br><br>
SOrry if this reads strangely, squirmy toddler on lap :LOL
 

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I've actually been to Chin spent a whole summer in Asia(in 2000) and it was a policy not a law then. However if you went against the policy and had more children you could have an abortion free of charge or risk loosing everything due to HEAVY HEAVY fines and fees. I understand why they have this policy after having been there and been to orphanages overpopulation is a HUGE problem there. Orphanages ,are overloaded more children than could ever be adopted it was very very sad I acutually was in tears. However it is very sad if this story is true that she is being tortured. I wonder if it is true if so it's very sad and I pray for her.
 

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Evergreen, I highly recommend a book called "Wanting a Daughter, Needing a Son," by Kay Johnson if you are interested in this topic. It is a fascinating and well-researched volume by a respected scholar.<br><br>
I team teach a course on post-Revolutionary China at a large university and I am the mother of two Chinese children, so this is a subject I've studied a great deal.<br><br>
In most of rural China, the family planning policy currently allows couples to have a second child if the first child is a daughter. There are exceptions also for ethnic minority peoples, couples who themselves are only children, people who have a disabled child, and people who engage in certain hazardous employment.<br><br>
Practicing family planning is a constitutional obligation of Chinese citizens, and you are correct that the punishment for having out of plan births is a fine, not imprisonment. My guess is that if this story is true, this person did more than just have an out of plan birth. Anything related to China's family planning policy is subject to extreme sensationalism by many so-called "pro-life" media outlets. It is true that abuses have taken place, especially in the late 80's but these abuses are much less common these days.<br><br>
China's population began very sudden and explosive growth in the period of 1940-1970 <a href="http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/ChinaFood/data/pop/pop_21_m.htm" target="_blank">http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/...p/pop_21_m.htm</a> This growth was clearly unsustainable and catastropic. While I don't agree with all the provisions of China's family planning policy, it is clear that birth rates needed to be dramatically decreased.<br><br>
I would also encourage people who are interested in this subject (beyond the usual China-bashing) to talk to some Chinese citizens or former citizens about their feelings about the family planning policy. You might be surprised.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"> that is horrible they forced her to have the abortion against her wishes. now she's being tortured? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
I have always wanted to adopt from China too but it's so expensive! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"><br><br>
if the women are forced to have abortions, where are the kids coming from in the orphanages? what happens to the women that have those children?
 

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There's a Chinese family here at our university. They came here to finish his education with one child and now have two. This means they are not going to be able to go back, because the fines and fees will ensure that they live as paupers in China for the rest of their lives...<br><br>
They recently bought a nice little home here and are settling in well. I am happy for them but understand their sadness at not being able to return home, because with all that the government would do to them, they still love their native land.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>lovelocks</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I can't believe I just read that!<br><br><br>
I can't beleive Bush is putting money into something that might actually help someone other than himself! Woah... I think this is the first time I agree with him...<br>
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You probably need to expand the sources that you get your information from. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> I'm FAR from agreeing with everything Bush does, but neither do I believe that he is the universal source of evil that he is often portrayed to be.<br>
At any rate, this article only shows the tip of the iceberg of the problems going on in China as a result of their 'population control'. They're now suffering a shortage of women. They have batchelor villages which are becoming violent. There is trafficing of women and young girls. (Which makes me nauseaus to even type that sentence out!) I've read that they're now trying to give financial incentives for families to keep their female children, but it will take a whole generation to turn around the problems that they have created. How bad is it going to get in the meantime???<br>
And please don't anyone be so naiive as to think it couldn't be true. The same thing happened during the holocaust. Many people who could have intervened just didn't believe the rumors that they were hearing about what was going on overseas. I would love to know how on earth we could help as well. Nations are made up of people, and if enough of us care about anything, we should be able to affect a change.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I have been hearing similar stories for several years. Apparently the exceptions for ethnic minorities aren't always followed, because I remember an article about one such family (that was Muslim, actually) who had suffered tremendously at the hands of the government because they wouldn't (and didn't feel they could) conform to the policies.<br><br>
If admitting this kind of thing happens means admitting that there is a problematic side to ZPG and government controlled family planning, well, too bad. This kind of thing is just sickening, not to mention frightnening, to ignore or justify.<br><br>
Maybe it hits me harder because childbearing has a religious and spiritual significance to me and it would be sin for me to use birth control or abortion. I can't imagine being a citizen of that country with my beliefs. I have nothing but sympathy towards the people who have to live under such oppression. My problem with China's one-child policy doesn't mean I hate the Chinese, my goodness. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> I feel downright sorry for them, especially the ones who would like to be able to have lovely wonderful children and can't.
 

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Please also note that China is not the only country where sex ratios at birth are skewed. There are several countries (without strict family planning policies) where this is true, including South Korea, Taiwan, and parts of India and Pakistan. In some of these places the gender ratios are worse than in China. Somehow, this never gets mentioned.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">if the women are forced to have abortions, where are the kids coming from in the orphanages? what happens to the women that have those children?</td>
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The book I mentioned by Kay Johnson goes into this issue extensively. The children who are abandoned (mostly girls, but also some boys) are generally from rural areas and the floating population. They are generally second or higher order births. Usually the women either give birth in secret or in a hospital not in their village and the births are unrecorded. Babies are abandoned anonymously, usually in a public place like a train station or outside a government building, where they are likely to be found quickly. There is also a significant amount of informal adoption, so the child may be quietly given to another couple. Abandoning children is illegal. If caught (which is rare), the punishment is a fine.
 

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This is so sad. On Oprah yesterday there was a segment about orphans in China and it was heartbreaking. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Something needs to be done over there though only God knows what.
 

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For the fourth consecutive year in a row, President Bush has blocked millions<br>
of taxpayer dollars from going to the United Nations Population Fund, because<br>
of the agency's support for China's population control program The Bush<br>
administration announced in October that it will divert the $34 million allocated<br>
to the U.N. group to a USAID program that provides health care for poor women<br>
and children in other countries and for a program that combats the sexual<br>
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Unfortunately, this policy by Bush is hurting women in other countries who now have less resources for family planning and health care. Not giving money to the UN Population Fund doesn't seem to be effecting China whatsoever. I hope that Bush does go through with giving the money to USAID. I wonder if they also have the abortion gag rule in effect though.
 

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I was going to mention that, Rhonwyn. I know for a fact that seven clinics *not* giving abortions (not that that should make a difference, in my opinion) in Kenya have had to close as a result of this "global gag".
 

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The exceptions are for most of China's 50+ ethnic minorities and they are allowed to have a second child. They are not allowed to have an endless number of children. The few ethnic minorities which have economic parity with the Han majority are not allowed a second child.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">If admitting this kind of thing happens means admitting that there is a problematic side to ZPG and government controlled family planning, well, too bad.</td>
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Of course, there is also a problematic side to an unbridled geometric population explosion in a country which has 21% of the world's population and only 7% of its arable land.
 
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