[Ligmom]

Ok, I know the title sounds like this is going to be a religious discussion...I don't mean for it to be, and I hope this doesn't break any rules.

My youngest sister is pg for the first time

I am thrilled for her and her dh. They are very naturalistic and very open to recieving information, but her dh is still not sure about whether or not they should circ. His reasons are purely religious since he has already read all the information I have given them and seen a circ. video. He doesn't want to do it BUT he's not sure if this is an act of obedience to God or not. If any of you have gone through this, would you please PM me to share your thoughts. I want to be able to discuss this with him, but I can't seem to gather my thoughts on this subject to make since--instead I just find myself getting upset. Please help me to help my nephew (if it is a boy

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[RedPony]

I just pm'd you.

 

[Cole]

I did as well.

 

[Ligmom]

Thanks

 

[AllyRae]

I'm Catholic Christian and didn't circ... There's no such thing as Christian circing (at least not in the Christian churches I've been around)...it's a *Jewish* tradition.

If it were supposed to be done for Christian religious reasons, it would probably happen in a church or at a ceremony, instead of in the hospital by a doctor.

Hope that helps!

(I was going to PM you, but I thought maybe other people had a similar question...)

 

[Ligmom]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllyRae If it were supposed to be done for Christian religious reasons, it would probably happen in a church or at a ceremony, instead of in the hospital by a doctor.

Good point

 

[Starr]

Ok so this may be a really dumb question? But, if God didn't want it to be there why didn't he just create them without?

 

[Europeanmom]

I'm a Christian from Europe, I know Christians from many European countries, and have NEVER heard of anyone circ'ing their boys.
It is purely a cultural thing, not a religious one! (for Christians, I mean)

I have never heard of anyone IRL actually who has circ. It is not just done around here, I guess.

Not much help from me, I guess. But it might be a help to understand that his attitude (or what he thinks is right) isn't representative for most Christians around the world.

 

[susienjay]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllyRae I'm Catholic Christian and didn't circ... There's no such thing as Christian circing (at least not in the Christian churches I've been around)...it's a *Jewish* tradition. If it were supposed to be done for Christian religious reasons, it would probably happen in a church or at a ceremony, instead of in the hospital by a doctor.

I'm not Catholic but conservative Christian and I know of a few other families (also conservative Christian) that circed and claimed it was it was a religious requirement. I even had one of our friends imply that we were not being good Christians because we didn't circ our son. I don't want to violate the religious discussion rules but I really do not see how a circ performed in a hospital by a doctor without the parents present can be considered a religious circ. Plus Christians outside the US don't circ for religious reasons that I'm aware of.

 

[Ligmom]

Thanks EuropeanMom, for the perspective

errejasu: i agree with you.

 

[wagodog]

Just wanted to add:

I'm Catholic and intact. I went through the whole first communion, confirmation, church wedding, baptism. Not once in any of the meetings with the priests did my intact status come up.

 

[DahliaRW]

I was going to PM this, but thought others may be interested. This is a great article on the Bible and circ: http://www.allnaturalmamas.com/bibli...rcumcision.asp

 

[falcon]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starr ... if God didn't want it to be there why didn't he just create them without?

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[colaga]

I just posted on another thread about this.. I am European and Christian and for a Christian to circumcise would be to completely miss the whole point of Christianity.

 

[AngelBee]

Catholic mama to two intact boys!

 

[eightyferrettoes]

Didn't Paul say that circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing?

I disagree with the first part of this statement, but, I'd see that as an explicit freeing from the OT laws. Weird.

 

[momo7]

I have four boys myself.....I have always had a hard time with circ. I never wanted it done...but was always pressured into it, mostly by MIL and DH. (you want your sons to look like thier dad.)

: The last boy came and I had read a book about circ. and decided I was going to fight this time. I told my DH I didn't want it done and we went around and around a couple of times but finally I told him I would take DS and hide somewhere until he was to old to do it....I won and no circ. I am Catholic and the majority of my friends are Catholic moms. Some choose to circ, some don't. It is purely an aesthetical issue, not a religious one. It bugs me that the the only reason that most of them give is that they want their sons to look like dad. WTH?

I haven't noticed to many men and their sons going around with their buisiness hanging out going "Look at my son's*&^**...his looks just like mine!" It's just sooo ignorant. I got it from my MIL when she changed my DS's diaper the first time..."Oh you didn't circ!?" I told her no, then I told her that it is really traumatic and painful for the baby and I just couldn't do that to my child. She looks me right in the eye and says: "It couldn't be THAT bad, my two sons don't remember it." Un%^$&#believable

My last son is two and my husband has read A LOT about circ. since I/we decided not to do it...he has really changed his mind about it. I am so glad because I know when we have another boy that won't even be an issue with us. THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

: It's also another thing my MIL won't have a say over. :LOL OOPS!!! did I say that out loud?

 

[Jennifer Z]

I assume you have enough info by now, but if not, PM me. I know the pastor of the Mennonite Church I grew up in didn't circ his son and I imagine (knowing them) that it was well researched biblically. I will contact them if you still need more biblical support.

 

[MommyBear]

I'm an extremely conservative Christian with two (soon to be three) intact boys. My pastor has even stated from the pulpit that circumcision is of the heart, not the body

 

[bell bottom blues]

I also don't want to violate the religious discussion rules, but suffice it to say that circumcision was the Old Law, which since Jesus no longer applies (just like folks can eat pork now).

Without any dictate to circumcise, the new law, which focuses on wholeness, applies. With wholeness, any non-therapeutic amputation on innocent persons violates the moral law.

The above is a paraphrase from the Catholic Catechism, paragraph 2297. Even for folks who are not Catholic, I would think the same general principles would apply.

Hope that makes sense,