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I'm so disapointed with society recently. Where are all the intact boys? The other day I was at a portrait studio with my friend and her son (14 months) (circ'd) and another mom was there waiting for pics for her son and changing his diaper. My friends son was playing around them and interested in that baby and I was getting him to come back over to us when I noticed that that baby was circ'd too.... now let me say...if people do it for "looks" I don't know what they see so "beautiful" in that sawed off tree trunk....<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: Sorry, but I think my ds looks so much better with his au naturale penis!<br>
Then I am telling my friend (same one at the studio) about my rediculous hospital bill for the birth of my ds 1 month ago and she commented that her ds's circ was $180 and if she knew it was that much she would have fought not to do it....<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/fever.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Fever">: I asked if the insurance didnt pay for it, and she just commented it was part of the deductible....Now she knows how I feel about circ and we have a mutual understanding about the topic and remain friends--her dp was very for this....not that it makes it better, but whatever....<br>
Then, the other day at my chiro, (and she is jewish) she is pregnant and not finding out what she is having, is hoping for a girl because of the circ issues, states she wouldnt do it but her family would be sooo disapointed and that she is really torn on the topic because "it gets so icky under there" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Uh, have we heard of soap??? She did say the last patient she saw also did not circ her son (yay!!) There is hope!!<br>
Then, yesterday, out on a playdate with dd's friend and her mother and younger brother we are having a conversation about thumb sucking vs binky and she said her ds never took a binky...Even when he was being circ'd they tried to give him a binky with sugar water and he wouldn't take it....<br>
That was it.... forward to my look of DISGUST! Oh, she saw it.... and I asked, "well, why would they do that??" Her: to calm him down...<br>
ME: Yeah, we just didnt have it done<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br>
Later in the car, we were talking religion and practices and she asked if not circing was part of my religion and said, she just did the circ because everyone else does it (I think she was trying to reasure me she wasnt judging) All I could say was that "We just dont beleive there is any good reason to circ, so we didnt". Now, there are plenty of reasons not to, but I left it at that.<br>
It is sooo disapointing to see all this! and all within 2 weeks too! Just had to vent to some people that understand.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Later in the car, we were talking religion and practices and she asked if not circing was part of my religion and said, she just did the circ because everyone else does it (I think she was trying to reasure me she wasnt judging) All I could say was that "We just dont beleive there is any good reason to circ, so we didnt". Now, there are plenty of reasons not to, but I left it at that.</div>
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Honestly, it makes me angry when people who <b>do know better</b> just don’t say it. I mean, she obviously has no idea how harmful circ and how important foreskin is. If I were there I’d just tell her something like “Why in the world would I want to amputate a healthy very important part of my child’s body, put him through agonizing pain and make a life long damage?! I don’t want to prevent him from masturbation by cutting the most sensitive part of his penis off”. It probably would have triggered a discussion which would be a perfect opportunity for you to educate her…<br>
yulia.
 

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I get really sad, not angry really, just deeply sad. I was on another forum earlier and we were dicussing things people do to their pets that are just so wrong. I was thinking this wouldn't even be a discussion we were talking about kids instead of animals. Then it hit me, people do do these things to their children! I've been agonizing over what to say to my best friend, who just found out she is having a boy. I know she will circ. She never denounced outright my choice not to circ, but she didn't agree either. I don't like to judge people, and I don't like to be judged. The devil in me wants to send her a video of a circ so she will understand, but I don't think it would make a difference. I'm just sad today...
 

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BIL and SIL are having boy#5 this summer, and I <b>guarantee</b> he will be circ'd. DH and I tried to talk to them about it several times after we had intact DS#1 and became intactivists, but they still circ'd their DS#4 "because the other three were done." I'm sure they will circ #5 "because the other four were done." It's especially maddening because SIL is into extended breastfeeding, waterbirthing and homeschooling, so she has a gentle side. She is just horribly wrong on this issue. I think it's a quasi-religious reason (a misapplication of fundamental Christianity, as they are in a fundamentalist sect). I can't even look when they change their boys' diapers.
 

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isadora79, if you're ever feeling very devilish, you could send her a "whiteboard" message. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br><br><a href="http://www.whiteboard.ups.com/" target="_blank">http://www.whiteboard.ups.com/</a><br><br>
Type the message with the circ video URL (there's a character limitation in the whiteboard message). Put in a phony e-mail (in the your e-mail blank field) and make the name some made-up parenting website (in the your name blank field). <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 
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