[robertandenith]

and many other INTACTIVISTS VIDEOS!!!

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http://www.youtube.com/user/Bonobo3D

you NEED to comment and provide support!!!

 

[robertandenith]

heyyyy this is OUR Carrie!!!

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[tammyswanson]

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!! I HOPE this sets a precedent, and that more boys start to sue their mutilators! One way to get the rates to decline a lot, and make doctors not want to perform the procedure!

Do you know if there a statute of limitations of when a boy turns 18 how many years he can wait to sue?

 

[tammyswanson]

Here's the circumcised video itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8szj...e=channel_page

Thanks for the heads up, Enith!

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[mjg013]

That is awesome. I had heard about this briefly the other day. I'm still baffled that anyone with information chooses to mutilate their baby boys.

 

[robertandenith]

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Originally Posted by tammyswanson Awesome!!!!!!!!!!! I HOPE this sets a precedent, and that more boys start to sue their mutilators! One way to get the rates to decline a lot, and make doctors not want to perform the procedure! Do you know if there a statute of limitations of when a boy turns 18 how many years he can wait to sue?

I belief it is just one year... I can't wait to hear more stories like this!!

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[pdx.mothernurture]

William Stowell looks like he's wearing one of the buttons with my little boy's face on it that says, but it's too far away to be sure. The buttons say, "You're welcome shapes his world; bring the whole baby home." That baby's 5 1/2 years old now! ;-)

All of these videos were excellent, thanks for sharing!

 

[QueenOfTheMeadow]

Moved to activism.

 

[~savah~]

Can someone explain to me how a person can sue the hospital and doctor? Did they not have the permission of the child's parents? Thanks.

 

[dogmom327]

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Originally Posted by sweetdaughter Can someone explain to me how a person can sue the hospital and doctor? Did they not have the permission of the child's parents? Thanks.

I'm curious too although since it is a cosmetic procedure, maybe the argument is that it wasn't the parent's right to consent to a non-necessary medical procedure that has long-term consequences for simply cosmetic purposes. I don't think a parent can put a tattoo on a baby for example of have them get a nose job (or at least I hope not and if it is possible, the child should be able to sue as an adult).

I do hope this continues and becomes a trend. It would be a fast way to stop (or at least greatly reduce) the number of circumcisions done.

 

[claddaghmom]

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Originally Posted by robertandenith and many other INTACTIVISTS VIDEOS!!! : : http://www.youtube.com/user/Bonobo3D you NEED to comment and provide support!!!

Very articulate! This is exactly how my DH feels.

 

[Smithie]

Awesome news! Nothing motivates a doctor like fear of a lawsuit, after all...

 

[~savah~]

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Originally Posted by dogmom327 I'm curious too although since it is a cosmetic procedure, maybe the argument is that it wasn't the parent's right to consent to a non-necessary medical procedure that has long-term consequences for simply cosmetic purposes. I don't think a parent can put a tattoo on a baby for example of have them get a nose job (or at least I hope not and if it is possible, the child should be able to sue as an adult). I do hope this continues and becomes a trend. It would be a fast way to stop (or at least greatly reduce) the number of circumcisions done.

Then perhaps people should sue their parents, since after all, they were the ones who made the decision to cut off their child's foreskin. Don't get me wrong, I'm as against circumcision as anybody, I just don't see how suing a doctor who had the permission from the parents is right.

 

[cottonwood]

The doctor was responsible for his own actions. If I get permission from a parent to beat their kid senseless (or whatever harmful act you want to imagine,) does that mean I'm not responsible for making that choice?

Also, doctors enjoy an authoritative position in this culture, and they cultivate that and assume it's their right. That's a kind of power (even if it's just psychological) and with power comes responsibility. (I just wish Spiderman didn't come to mind now when I say that.

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[Magali]

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Originally Posted by fourlittlebirds The doctor was responsible for his own actions. If I get permission from a parent to beat their kid senseless (or whatever harmful act you want to imagine,) does that mean I'm not responsible for making that choice? Also, doctors enjoy an authoritative position in this culture, and they cultivate that and assume it's their right. That's a kind of power (even if it's just psychological) and with power comes responsibility. (I just wish Spiderman didn't come to mind now when I say that. )

 

[mntnmom]

I understand the arguement that the parent's consented. But the doctor performed, and often solicited an unneccesery surgical procedure. The DOCTOR knows it's not medically indicated. The parents, all too often, just made the mistake of assuming the doctor wouldn't do it without a good reason

 

[Ceinwen]

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The parents, all too often, just made the mistake of assuming the doctor wouldn't do it without a good reason

Bolding mine - so the parents made the mistake, and the physican pays? That doesn't seem right.

As a health care provider, this makes me exceedingly unhappy.

The precedent alone is scary. The onus is on the PARENTS to do research and make informed decisions.

Are physicians in positions of power? Yes. But since when do we give parents a free pass on stuff like this?

I did research on issues affecting my kids, far be it from me to blame someone else for something I never looked into, or made a wrong decision on.

I work in a combined care unit, and I counsel parents AGAINST circumcision all the time (I'm in Canada FWIW).

G!d help me if some couple turns around and sues me because I assisted in a procedure that they signed off on.

ETA - That last sentence is a bit of a red herring to be honest; I've avoid assisting in the circs at all costs....

 

[~savah~]

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Originally Posted by fourlittlebirds The doctor was responsible for his own actions. If I get permission from a parent to beat their kid senseless (or whatever harmful act you want to imagine,) does that mean I'm not responsible for making that choice? Also, doctors enjoy an authoritative position in this culture, and they cultivate that and assume it's their right. That's a kind of power (even if it's just psychological) and with power comes responsibility. (I just wish Spiderman didn't come to mind now when I say that. )

Beating a child senseless is illegal circumcision, unfortunately, is not. Of course you would be held responsible for beating a child, but so would the parents. I just don't see how one party can be held responsible, and not the other.

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Originally Posted by Ceinwen Bolding mine - so the parents made the mistake, and the physican pays? That doesn't seem right. As a health care provider, this makes me exceedingly unhappy. The precedent alone is scary. The onus is on the PARENTS to do research and make informed decisions. Are physicians in positions of power? Yes. But since when do we give parents a free pass on stuff like this?

: Exactly. The precedent is scary. What if men who don't actually don't mind being circ'ed decide they want to make some money and sue their doctor?

 

[needhelpplease]

Has there ever been the case where a boy has turned 18 and sued, even when their parents gave proper consent?

I'm pretty sure the only lawsuits have been where consent was invalid (not given, or fraudulent). I think in Stowell's case it was fraud as his mother's consent was not valid due to pain killers? I could be wrong. Is Dave here?

I'm guessing there can't have been a case yet where it was determined this is just not something parents can consent to?

I'm hoping there will be soon.

 

[~savah~]

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Originally Posted by needhelpplease Has there ever been the case where a boy has turned 18 and sued, even when their parents gave proper consent? I'm pretty sure the only lawsuits have been where consent was invalid (not given, or fraudulent). I think in Stowell's case it was fraud as his mother's consent was not valid due to pain killers? I could be wrong. Is Dave here? I'm guessing there can't have been a case yet where it was determined this is just not something parents can consent to? I'm hoping there will be soon.

Thank you, that is what I was wondering. That makes a lot more sense, and I agree with you on the part that parents shouldn't be able to consent to RIC.