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I consulted with a ped here in Israel about vax issues and she said that if we decide to wait on vax and don't want to give Pertussis, we can give the DT when DS is more likely to be running around and cutting himself.<br>
I read on another thread here that DT is contraindicated for children under 7.. so am now a bit confused.<br><br>
Basically I have been thinking of giving the tetanus vax, but also have read here that DT has thimerosal, whereas DTaP doesn't. Not wanting to vax against Pertussis, so not sure what options I would have....<br><br>
Does anyone have experience with getting TIG's? What are the risks involved with this intervention? I understand that it would be short term immunity. Are TIG's offered to young children/babies if they have not completed their vax's?<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I consulted with a ped here in Israel about vax issues and she said that if we decide to wait on vax and don't want to give Pertussis, we can give the DT when DS is more likely to be running around and cutting himself.<br>
I read on another thread here that DT is contraindicated for children under 7.. so am now a bit confused.<br><br>
Basically I have been thinking of giving the tetanus vax, but also have read here that DT has thimerosal, whereas DTaP doesn't. Not wanting to vax against Pertussis, so not sure what options I would have....<br><br>
Does anyone have experience with getting TIG's? What are the risks involved with this intervention? I understand that it would be short term immunity. Are TIG's offered to young children/babies if they have not completed their vax's?<br><br>
TIA</div>
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DT is not approved for kids under seven, and iirc from your other thread your little one is still a baby so your only option in the present or near future is the DTaP. And yes, the multi-dose vial of DT has full thimerosal in it. The single dose vial has "trace" amounts, but in our house "trace" mercury is still way too much. We have a zero tolerance policy on heavy metals around here.<br><br>
TIG (vs. vax)should be the standard of care treatment for an at-risk wound anyway, but it still gives me pause because it is a human blood product, which comes with its own set of risks.<br><br>
Honestly, I don't worry about tetanus at all, and we live in "horse country", and go hiking on horse trails quite often. And dd is very active at 2 1/2 and she's quite the explorer and climber.<br><br>
In addition, I've done a lot of reading about the tetanus bacteria and what factors make this ubiquitous bacterium (it's EVERYWHERE!!) cause disease, and the more I learn, the less I worry about tetanus. Also learned as much as possible about wound care and what to look for in terms of infection, whether with tetanus or with something else. Also make sure that dd wears good, protective footwear...now that's "prevention"!!
 

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I can't find the specific info on this vaccine (I'm sure someone else can) but my daughter had the Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids Adsorbed USP for Pediatric Use Preservative-free by Aventis Pasteur. I didn't want her to get the DTap but was concerned about tetanus, so opted for this when she was 18 months. At the time I did a little research and I don't remember that it had Thimerasol. I'm not sure if you are looking for this type of vaccine, but this one can be given to kids under 7.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I consulted with a ped here in Israel about vax issues and she said that if we decide to wait on vax and don't want to give Pertussis, we can give the DT when DS is more likely to be running around and cutting himself.<br>
I read on another thread here that DT is contraindicated for children under 7.. so am now a bit confused.<br><br>
Basically I have been thinking of giving the tetanus vax, but also have read here that DT has thimerosal, whereas DTaP doesn't. Not wanting to vax against Pertussis, so not sure what options I would have....<br><br>
Does anyone have experience with getting TIG's? What are the risks involved with this intervention? I understand that it would be short term immunity. Are TIG's offered to young children/babies if they have not completed their vax's?<br><br>
TIA</div>
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Actually, the DT is for children under 7. It is contraindicated for children over the age of 7. See the info on the DT vaccine here:<br><br><a href="http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=5972&image_type=product_pdf" target="_blank">http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.c...pe=product_pdf</a><br><br>
It is for children 6 weeks up through 6 years of age. The multiple dose vial contains significant amounts of mercury, and the single does vial contains trace amounts. It is basically made for children who cannot receive the pertussis component of the DTaP. (Isn't that interesting that they admit that it's actually contraindicated in some cases because of such severe reactions?? Sheesh.) After the age of 7, you get a Td vaccine, and supposedly there is also still a plain tetanus toxoid available.<br><br>
It sounds like your little one is still very young. If I were you, I would wait and read as much as you can and do all the research you can. I got the DT instead of the DTaP for my oldest, for those same reasons, wanting to avoid the pertussis. But looking back I would not do it now.<br>
ETA: meaning I wouldn't do any of them now.
 

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i stand corrected, the dt by aventis pasteur is available for children ages 6 months to 6 years 11 months. it's not common and your doctor may have to special order it, but it's out there.<br><br>
from what i've dug up about it, however, it does contain mercury. it has "less" in it now than it did in the early 2000's. looks like it had "full" mercury in it until 2004.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It is for children 6 weeks up through 6 years of age. The multiple dose vial contains significant amounts of mercury, and the single does vial contains trace amounts.<br><br>
It sounds like your little one is still very young. If I were you, I would wait and read as much as you can and do all the research you can. I got the DT instead of the DTaP for my oldest, for those same reasons, wanting to avoid the pertussis. But looking back I would not do it now.<br>
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What are multiple and single dose vials?<br><br><br>
Yip, this is an awfully difficult decision. I grew up vaxed just for polio and tetanus and had all the other illnesses (Now I am so grateful, as I can pass passive immunity to at lease some of the illnesses with BFing).<br>
I just assumed I would do the same now for my LO, but definitely going to be looking into it all a bit more carefully! Got time anyway as have said unequivocally no vax before 1 year<br><br>
We are slowly going to be going through each disease and the vax and no doubt coming up with our own schedule, if one at all... so I'm sure I'll be back with many more questions as time passes
 

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on the FDA site (<a href="http://www.fda.gov/Cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm" target="_blank">http://www.fda.gov/Cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm</a>) it shows two brands of DT vaxes but both contain thimerosal...yet on this site : <a href="http://www.immunizationinfo.org/pressroom/release_detail.cfv?ID=22" target="_blank">http://www.immunizationinfo.org/pres...tail.cfv?ID=22</a> it says both DT and Td vaxes are available without thimerosal----any idea who the manufacturer would be? This is the only vax we are currently considering for DS and I want to see if there really is a thimerosal-free version
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">on the FDA site (<a href="http://www.fda.gov/Cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm" target="_blank">http://www.fda.gov/Cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm</a>) it shows two brands of DT vaxes but both contain thimerosal...yet on this site : <a href="http://www.immunizationinfo.org/pressroom/release_detail.cfv?ID=22" target="_blank">http://www.immunizationinfo.org/pres...tail.cfv?ID=22</a> it says both DT and Td vaxes are available without thimerosal----any idea who the manufacturer would be? This is the only vax we are currently considering for DS and I want to see if there really is a thimerosal-free version</div>
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<i>Tetanus toxoid (TT), and diphtheria and tetanus toxoids (DT for children <7 years of age and Td for children >7 years of age) may contain thimerosal as a preservative. Most children will receive thimerosal-preservative free DTaP and Tdap and will not receive TT, DT, or Td. DT is occasionally administered to young infants who cannot receive the acellular pertussis components of the usually used DTaP vaccines. Depending on the child’s age and the specific circumstances, TT or Td may be occasionally administered to children. <b>Both DT and Td are available without thimerosal preservative.</b></i><br><br>
Don't know about that. In Sears Vaccine book his information concurs with what is on the FDA site. From what he is saying they have reduced the mercury from 25 micrograms to .3 micrograms in the Sanofi Pasteur DT vaccine... but it has a high aluminium at 170 micrograms and .02 % Formaldehyde
 

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Isn't there a Tetanus only vax?
 

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Again, I'm relying on the Sears book (for me the only helpful part of the book was the detail on the vax's themselves). There is a T vax made and he says it has been approved for kids age 7 and up and for adults (Doctors can administer it at any age; it just isn't officially approved for younger kids yet) - his parenthesis and I don't know quite what he means by this<br><br>
It has 250 micrograms aluminium<br>
Formaldehyde of less than .02%<br>
.3 Micrograms of Mercury (also available with 25 micrograms of Mercury)
 

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I need to ask my Dr about this and do some more research. This is the only shot Dr thinks my son should get (and he said he thinks he only needs the vax one time....something about getting the vax once makes a difference in how you'd respond to tetnus---totally messing this up lol b/c I didn't write anything down and its been several months <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> )
 

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Before we gave DS the DT, we had it ordered in as the "preservative-free" version, which contains trace thimerosal. It is ok for the under-7s--not ok for older than 7 because the diptheria dosage is too high for anyone over 7. I had not heard that the Td (over 7 to adult) was without thimerosal or the TT. There is still DT out there WITH full-strength thimerosal in the multi-dose vials, and it seems to be more commonly-available.<br><br>
I have personal experience with the TIG. I received it while traveling abroad in 2001, after being bit by an animal. It seems their practice was to give TIG for animal bites (even though I was "up-to-date" on my tetanus vaccine), in addition to the rabies series and immunoglobulin. It sounds like there is some gross stuff in the TIG, too--but, something that I suppose I would do in an emergency if it was truly required. (Obviously, for myself, I know doubt that it was--not to mention, what good was my tetanus vaccine status if I still needed the TIG?)<br><br>
As mentioned on the earlier thread, DS did react to the DT vaccine; it was not just the DTaP that caused him to react. My guess is the aluminum as he acted similarly after Prevnar (a vaccine I wish we did not finish, now that I know more about it). DS is fine, now, and was fine within 12 hours after the DT, but I will not rush to give this to him again. The reaction is noted in his file at his pediatrician's office.
 
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