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Client planning on circ..what to tell them.

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I have a couple due mid-April. When I met with them last week, they said they were planning on circ'ing. I would like to give them some gentle nudging but do not want to seem pushy. I think they'd be open because they seemed to make the decision based on "eh, isn't that what everyone does". Any advice? TIA!
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Have you mentioned that the AAP doesn't routinely recommend it? We were trying to make the decision as well, an informed decision and their statement really helped me make up my mind not to do it.

I have to do a research paper for my social psych class and decided to do it on the subject because I wanted to make the best decision. There's lots out there procirc in the medical journals, but the AAP, which is more conservative than me saying we don't need to do it really helped! I also came across a cancer society that doesn't recommend it either. American Cancer Society maybe? I'd look into it before quoting me though.


What helped my husband was seeing pictures of a baby being circumcised. Maybe you could have a few of those laying around next time you meet!
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Why shouldn't I circumcise my son?

The history of circ http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/shorthis.htm
Anatomy and function of foreskin http://www.noharmm.org/anatomy.htm
Care http://www.tornwing.com/peacefulbegi...ysgenitals.htm
Compare female genital mutilation and circ http://www.noharmm.org/comparison.htm
Complications http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/complications.html
http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...cumcision.html

Graphic play by play. http://www.usask.ca/medicine/family/...iles/frame.htm
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/
http://www.stopcirc.com/ilearned.html
http://www.noharmm.org/separated.htm
Video http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/video.html

Of all the graphic stuff above, watch the video first. Then, if you aren't crying or otherwise physically ill and still think circ is good, click on the other links. There IS good info on the other links, but you probably won't need to read it.

If babies weren't meant to have foreskins, they wouldn't be born with them. God doesn't make mistakes. It's NOT MY PENIS. If he wants to be circ'ed at an age when he can grasp the concept and make the decision, then that is fine. But, IT'S NOT MY PENIS. There is evidence to suggest that anesthesia doesn't even work during the procedure. Circumcision is extremely painful - and traumatic - for a baby. Just being strapped down is frightening for a baby. The often repeated statement that babies can't feel pain is not true. Babies are as sensitive to pain as anyone else. Most babies scream frantically when their foreskins are cut off. Some defecate. Some lapse into a coma. The reason some babies don't cry when they are circumcised is that they can't cry because they are in a state of shock. Most babies are circumcised without an anesthetic. Anesthetics injected into the penis don't always work. Being stuck with a needle in the penis is itself painful for a baby, just as it would be for anyone else. Babies are rarely given pain medication right after they are circumcised or during the week to ten days it takes for the wound to heal. Pain medication is not always effective and is never 100% effective. The AAP no longer recommends routine circ'ing because it is not essential to the child's well being. There is no evidence that circ'ing reduces the risk of penile cancer, UTI's, STD transmission, prostate cancer, HIV, or that it is cleaner. A circ'ed penis is likely less clean than an intact one. Just as the vagina secretes fluids to clean itself, the penis does too, only with no foreskin, it has no place to go but get rubbed off onto clothing. The foreskin protects the glans of the penis from chaffing, infection, etc. The percentage of circ'ed and uncirce'd is nearing 50/50. To do it so they won't be teased is ridiculous. Also performing cosmetic surgery so they look like their dads is crap. Did you inspect your moms vagina to make sure it looked the same as yours? Some say it's too hard to clean. CRAP. Can you wash your finger? That's how you wash an intact penis. The foreskin keeps the crap out (literally, feces, urine, bacteria), so it is just skin to clean. You clean an intact penis just like you would clean a finger. NEVER RETRACT THE FORESKIN, it will do it on its own. Any doctor that tries should be charged with assault. DO NOT LET THEM. They don't know what they are doing if they are trying to retract it.
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Thanks, mamas. Vegmama, I will pass on the info re: AAP. Mysticmomma, thanks for reminding me how much I care about this!
I keep a folder of research and websites that I offer to clients about circ. Most of the info comes from NoCirc and I also have a couple of videos that they can borrow. I think you can present this info to them in a friendly manner....just say you're offering them all the best info possible on all of their options, including circumcision. That's part of what we do, no? I'd be inclined to only offer them the evidence. Some of the info out there, while truthful, provides that really harsh perspective and I think that your clients could take your offer of help as more of accusatory. Just my $.02.
I always empasize the angle that circ can really interfere with bonding and breastfeeding, because of the intense pain and trauma it causes. I encourage them to at least "wait" to make the decision until baby is 8 days old. Many people are willing to decide to wait but not willing to make the jump to say "we won't do it." I find that usually by the 8th day, they are so in love with their baby that they can't imagine voluntarily hurting him. Not to mention that it's a lot less convenient b/c you have to find someone to do it, pay out of pocket, etc.
I'm in Maryland, too, and I know MANY non-circing families! The rates nationally are about 50-50 although I don't have exact rates for MD.

If you haven't already given them anything, I LOVE the site www.oknocirc.blogspot.com which also can be printed out. It's very easy to read and very informative.

The Maryland chapter of NOCIRC is www.notjustskin.org and they have a great website, too.
I just wanted to comment more from the role-of-the-doula angle. I find it a tough one... as a childbirth educator, I would see my role differently. As a friend, I don't mind expressing my views - strongly, lol. But as a doula we have part of our role in theory to support the couple in having the experience *they* are looking for. So I struggle whenever 'what they are looking for' is not what I believe is best!


There are roles for advocates and even activists in wider society, and I think in some relationships. I just think in the doula relationship you have to tread especially carefully. Anything that feels like a sermon on the subject of circ, pain meds, whatever, risks damaging your trust relationship with them, in theory. A woman who feels judged by her doula (over any choices) is going to be a very different emotional space in labor.

I realized over time that I do want to be an activist on certain issues important to me - but not with my doula clients. Sometimes it's just about how info is presented. So we have links on our website to books and sites, and I hand out a recommended reading list - many of the birth and baby books I urge them to read include anti-circ info.

But personally, I don't look at someone's birth plan and see they've mentioned circ and hold a converstion about it in our prenatal session. To me it's not the best time for it. I did it one or two times early on, once just gently asking a couple what their reasons were for planning to circ, and I didn't realize both are Jewish, he got very defensive, I felt quite awkward. It affected the relationship we had, kwim?
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Originally Posted by mamabutterfly
I just wanted to comment more from the role-of-the-doula angle. I find it a tough one... as a childbirth educator, I would see my role differently. As a friend, I don't mind expressing my views - strongly, lol. But as a doula we have part of our role in theory to support the couple in having the experience *they* are looking for. So I struggle whenever 'what they are looking for' is not what I believe is best!


There are roles for advocates and even activists in wider society, and I think in some relationships. I just think in the doula relationship you have to tread especially carefully. Anything that feels like a sermon on the subject of circ, pain meds, whatever, risks damaging your trust relationship with them, in theory. A woman who feels judged by her doula (over any choices) is going to be a very different emotional space in labor.

I realized over time that I do want to be an activist on certain issues important to me - but not with my doula clients. Sometimes it's just about how info is presented. So we have links on our website to books and sites, and I hand out a recommended reading list - many of the birth and baby books I urge them to read include anti-circ info.

But personally, I don't look at someone's birth plan and see they've mentioned circ and hold a converstion about it in our prenatal session. To me it's not the best time for it. I did it one or two times early on, once just gently asking a couple what their reasons were for planning to circ, and I didn't realize both are Jewish, he got very defensive, I felt quite awkward. It affected the relationship we had, kwim?

Thank you, this is exactly what I wanted to say, just wasn't good at finding the words.
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I think if a couple has taken the time to learn & care enough about a positive birth experience to seek out the care of a MW, they would appreciate some accurate circ info. I do not think the majority of people would feel akward by some factual printed material and the offer of a video or two. They just may have never given it any rational thought. Why would you go through all the effort required to have a fantastic natural birth, then traumatize the baby with something like that? I would think they'd be gratefull for the info.
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