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We are adding a room on......and the contractor informed me today that they will need to spray for termites before laying concrete. He said we could never sell the house unless its been sprayed. Funny, we remodeled 2 yrs ago and didnt have the dirt sprayed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
I told him this is a problem as I am sensitive to all toxins, have dogs and a child....He couldnt tell me what they spray, but replies to me "IT only kills the bugs, then it dissapates anyway" (!) PLUS, its been VERY windy right now.<br>
That spray is going to go EVERYWHERE.<br><br>
What is this going to do to my newly transplanted trees and shrubs that I just removed from the area they are working on? Does anyone know if this is mandatory? Ive put a call in to the exterminators, but KNOW they arent going to use something NON toxic.<br><br>
What would YOU do?
 

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First of all, a pesticide should not hurt your trees (that would be an herbicide).<br><br>
Second, call him up and ask him exactly what he is going to be spraying. Tell him you have had severe reactions to chemicals in the past and want to be careful. I would not give him the riot act just yet.<br><br>
Then with the name of the poison written down, you can begin your research. Do a google, if it is still really really bad, then you can look for an organic alternative. Once you have that info, then you can confront him.<br><br><br>
What I want to know is HOW there would be termites in clay?? they need wood. So unless you are having dirt that may have decomposing wood in it, then HOW would you expose yourself to termites??<br><br>
Another thing you might do is call city hall. Ask to talk to the building inspector, I would NOT give my name. I would ask him about regulations regarding building additions and pesticides.<br><br>
Now your enemy and then plan your attack.<br><br>
May the force be with you.
 

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Ohh and as landscape contractors, we NEVER EVER spray anything on a windy day. Not good for person spraying or environment.
 

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I am not a licensed pesticide applicator, and know just enough to be dangerous, but here's my 2 cents:<br><br>
If you're in NY, the person has to be licensed to spray. It is illegal to spray on a windy day (don't know what mph is the threshold, but there is one here). Also I think they have to notify you of what they're spraying, and if you ask they are required to tell you. Every state is different, though.<br><br>
Personally, I'd ask them to explain exactly what they're spraying, when and why. Then let them know that you're going to do more research and in the meantime they're not permitted to spray until they get a signed release form from you (not the contractor). Make sure you talk to an owner or manager, get their name and title, and tell your building contractor again that you're against it and have warned the exterminator.<br><br>
After you look into it some more (I second what Chanley said about calling the building department and finding out if this is a requirement), if you find out that this is not required or necessary, warn them verbally (and by a fax or overnight mail) that they are not permitted to spray anything on your property, and that if they do, you will call your lawyer--they will not want a lawsuit or to have their insurance go up, so this will raise all kinds of red flags and stop the process. Also, they can lose their license if they do something they're not supposed to, so hold that threat in reserve if you need to use it, too.<br><br>
And do all of this with a 'matter of fact' non adversarial attitute and a smile on your face. Save the 'riot act' in case you really need it....KWIM??<br><br>
Like Chanley said, termites can't really enter a dwelling unless there's wood in contact with soil. I can't figure any reason that you would need to spray soil for contact with concrete.<br><br>
Good luck--let us know what happened...
 

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I didnt get any email notices.....sorry for my late reply!<br><br><br>
I dont get the spraying the soil thing either. Dh said there are Dirt Termites (?) THe addition is being built adjacent and connecting our family room. I called the exterminator, who only had an answering machine, and left a message. I cant imagine that there is an ordinance that we HAVE to spray, but I will call the Building Inspector.<br><br>
If I could just find out WHAT they are spraying, at least I could begin to research it. ITs really frustrating.<br><br>
Thanks for the info.
 

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Yes, there are subterranean termites. Do a search for that term online and you'll learn more than you ever wanted to know.<br><br>
In many states, exterminators are required to provide a Hazardous Materials Safety Data Sheet prior to using any pesticides.
 

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I so feel your pain!!! We have termites and the landlords have yet to come and look! They said well it's swarming season and they will just go away in awhile? Umm I've been dealing with little piles of what I thought were dirt for like the last 6months and only found out I had termites due to my mother catching one in a water bottle for me to show the landlords as proof!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Is there any way for you to possibly get a second opinion? Please keep us updated and let us know what happens.
 

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Just get nematodes! They're a parasite and you can order them and they kill termites. <a href="http://store.arbico-organics.com/organic-pest-control-beneficial-insects-organisms-termite-control.html" target="_blank">http://store.arbico-organics.com/org...e-control.html</a>
 

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How awesome!!! Thanks annakiss!! Let's just hope my landlords will be willing to foot the bill!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Just thought Id post the outcome of my situation:<br><br><br>
After repeatedly leaving messages with the exterminator to call me back, he finally calls me back the morning of the "spraying". I talked at length with him......and he asked me WHY would I choose NOT to spray??? I told him I didnt want to get cancer. Simple as that. I dont want to expose my animals and my family to toxins, just as I dont use chemicals to clean with inside my house. He said he's been doing this for 22 years and is in perfect health. I told him I hope that clean bill of health continues for him......but in my opinion repeated exposure to toxic chemicals is taking a risk with ones health....and raising the chance of getting disease. He also explained that I did NOT HAVE to spray, that when I sell the house, no one would know we didnt spray AND the spraying is only good for 5 years anyway......and if there was an infestation prior to that, it could be treated then. So I told him that it sounded to me that spraying wasnt mandatory and I wouldnt be penalized for NOT spraying......and my chances of getting a termite infestation were slim, esp the way the addition was being built.<br><br>
So.......they didnt spray. ANd I know he thinks Im wacky.......but Im going to sleep alot better tonight.
 

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Yeah they thought columbus was wacky for thinking the world is round.<br><br><br>
Good job!!!<br><br>
I worked for a big landscape company that did lawn maintenance ages ago. The owner was taught how to apply chems to lawns by a fella who worked for Scotts. So the owner was bragging when i was wrinkling my nose at those chems, "well I was shown how to do this by a guy who worked for Scotts doing this for most of his adult life. he really believed those chems were safe. In fact, he would let his grandkids run through the yard right after spraying. That is how safe they are! He would never let his grandkids out in a yard that was dangerous!" Implying htat the lawn chems were not a threat to health or environment.<br><br>
So I ask him, "Ohh that is cool...does he live aroudn here?"<br><br>
"No he died a few years ago from some strange cancer."<br><br><br>
*sigh*<br><br>
they know not what they do....Remember DDT used to be sprayed ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
 

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Hooray! Glad to hear you stood up to them and got your way. Who cares if they think you're wacky? They need to hear it from somewhere.<br><br>
More on this...my niece (just a few years younger than me) worked for a tree maintenance company, and became pregnant. She attended a required safety info meeting with a member of a prominent pesticide company. After 2 hours of talking about 'safety' and how there was no risk if they used the chemicals properly, my niece took the speaker (female) aside, and asked if she'd continue spraying their stuff if she was pregnant...the answer was "are you kidding, absolutely NO WAY!" Needless to say, she spent her pregnancy working in the office answering phones and filing...now she runs the maintenance div for an organic landscape/maintenance company!<br><br>
Also, one of the growers at a nursery I used to work at apparently used to roll up his sleeve and mix the liquid fertilizer in a bucket with his bare hand and arm (for many years, I'm told)...he died of cancer, too.
 

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I know I know!<br><br>
He said he understands that some people have "FEARS" regarding toxic chemicals. But he has a respect for what he does......blah blah blah. He offered to give me the number of a doctor that he sprays his yard and office for on a monthly basis......(like talking to this guy would change my beliefs?)<br><br>
They also used to think Asbestos was safe. AND, its a fairly windy day here, and he was going to do it anyway bc in his words "its not Gusty". I looked out the window at my backyard......dds riding toys, swimming pool, swing, were all about.........and the dog was calmly munching some stray grass not 3 feet from the work site.<br><br>
I guess if this is your livelihood, you have to talk yourself into the idea that its safe.........but to me, thats an ostrich with his head in the sand (or somewhere) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">
 

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Oh yeah and Dr.s are the end all be all for healthy living!!! Hehehe<br><br>
I LOVE how ignorant some folks are....<br><br><br>
Ohh here is one....<br><br>
so my dh works for a landscaping/maintenance company (same one I worked for). Well one of the hired off of the street idiots who was hired to lay sod, was caught getting a drink of "water" out of the spray truck.<br><br>
he thought since it was clear and he saw the spray guy filling it with a hose it was water.<br><br>
My dh nearly died. Survival of the fittest I guess.
 

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Certainly a testament of survival of the fittest! Natural Selection!
 

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ALL states. It is an OSHA regulation.<br><br>
Also, the Safety Data Sheets are available to anyone who asks (not just the purchasers) from the manufacturer.
 

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Yea, the whole thing went down kinda weird.......the contractor just happened to mention it...."oh, and we are setting the concrete tomorrow, right after the exterminator comes to spray for termites". I got the feeling it might have happened without me even knowing if he hadnt mentioned it. They would have left the necessary paperwork.....all after the fact. The contractor didnt even say anything about keeping my dogs in or closing my windows....or putting my dds outside toys away..Nothing. I guess most people dont batt an eye about these things.<br><br><br>
-Wonder how much it was to spray? Maybe I saved us a couple hundred bucks on top of it!
 

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You probably will pay for it regardless of not having it done...I wouldn't be surprised if the contractor gets a kickback from the exterminator for 'referrals' for this sort of thing, too.<br><br>
And no, people don't even consider these things...think about that Sears exterminating commercial where they show the baby sitting on the floor after it's been sprayed to kill ants and roaches? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> That makes me soooooo mad.
 

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maybe that's why the guys laying sod for my dad all preferred beer, lol (they let me<br><br>
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have an occasional sip of warm coors, too, hehe- no beer ever tasted as good as those illicit dregs.) it's a different world now, no?<br><br>
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oh yeah: when i worked for a nursery & refused to spray unidentified chems everywhere, they looked at me like i was nuts (for less than minimum i was gonna get cancer? i think not.)<br><br>
suse
 
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