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I just found this excellent site if you're wondering where your child's vocabulary is compared to their age mates<br><br><a href="http://www.cms-kids.com/SHINE/shineCommunicationDev.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cms-kids.com/SHINE/shineCommunicationDev.htm</a><br><br>
it's very much like a list we had to fill out for a study on infant attention spans at one point - apparently the short list is representative of the size of their whole vocabulary, although it's culturally biased, with words like 'sidewalk' and 'crib'.<br><br>
My husband came home and immediately had to teach our toddler "vanilla" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I didn't have the heart to tell him that didn't count.
 

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That's interesting, though you're right, there are some words on those lists my daughter simply hasn't been introduced to, like "salt" or "jeans" (I always say pants) or yeah, "sidewalk" -- our neighborhood is a 50s subdivision that doesn't have sidewalks.
 

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or bottle and crib. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
I will just replace those with boobie and "our bed".
 

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Hmm. Not sure what to make of this. DD is almost 19 months and if I put her current words on their chart, she totals in the 65th percentile for her age. However, if I run a tally of the words I can recall in her vocabulary (just off the top of my head), it launches her well above the 99th percentile and puts her over the 99th percentile for 30 month olds.<br><br>
What does everyone else think about that? Is it fair to just base this off words on the list, which don't seem to be weighted at all as far as complexity (baa baa vs. pretend, for example), or should the child's total vocabulary be taken into account? I tried reading through the handbook on the site, but it was a little too long.
 

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Staying away from that site for fear of giving myself something else to be anxious about . . .
 

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Yeah, I find the choice of words pretty unadaptable to our life. Dd has never had candy or a cookie, but she can say avocado (avo.). She's never had a bottle and has only seen them in passing when we're out and about. She wouldn't give a bottle to her baby dolls--but she did nurse one once! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I understand that they used common words for comparative purposes, but it makes it pretty hard to really estimate for crunchy babes! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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I find this kind of thing fascinating. My ds is just entering the toddler "language explosion" and I'm struck by how different his vocabulary is compared with dd at this age. At one point, I wrote down many of her first words, so I do have a pretty good comparison.<br><br>
It's an interesting reminder of how different the process can be-- even among siblings in the same family and home.
 

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I think you pretty much have to base it off the words on the list because it looks like the list isn't mean to count the total number of words they know, but instead estimate based on a certain set of common words. For a few things I could think of reasonable substitutions (like 'bed' for 'crib', 'cat' for 'kitty', 'train' for 'choo-choo'), but some, not really...
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I think you pretty much have to base it off the words on the list because it looks like the list isn't mean to count the total number of words they know, but instead estimate based on a certain set of common words. For a few things I could think of reasonable substitutions (like 'bed' for 'crib', 'cat' for 'kitty', 'train' for 'choo-choo'), but some, not really...</td>
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Yes, that's what I assume, too. Vanilla, for example, isn't really vanilla, but a whole set of relatively complex words. And these things have been normalised over a huge number of kids to give you an estimate, based on what the averages are.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Hmm. Not sure what to make of this. DD is almost 19 months and if I put her current words on their chart, she totals in the 65th percentile for her age. However, if I run a tally of the words I can recall in her vocabulary (just off the top of my head), it launches her well above the 99th percentile and puts her over the 99th percentile for 30 month olds.</td>
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If she's ever said it, it's in her vocabulary, even if she hasn't used it this week or this month. So, looks like she's over the 99th percentile for 30 month olds! Wow!<br><br>
But I am a little sheepish. Am I the only mother who has naughty (carbonated) drinks in a bottle? But coke and candy, really? On what age group list? My two year old calls my coke "Mummy's water" and thinks I have to drink it before I can have nice proper water.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Coke?<br><br>
Are you kidding me?<br><br>
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I know, right?! sheesh... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/crap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crap"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake">
 

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I was tryiing to figure out if "cracker" and "banana" were reasonable substitutes for "cookie" and "candy." Then I just gave up, it's way too hard to make that test fit my life.<br><br>
It seems very narrow. It asks if you kid says "please" but mine says "thankyou" it's the same basic concept but different.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But I am a little sheepish. Am I the only mother who has naughty (carbonated) drinks in a bottle? But coke and candy, really? On what age group list? My two year old calls my coke "Mummy's water" and thinks I have to drink it before I can have nice proper water.</div>
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My 27 month old drank about a third of my coke the other day while I wasn't looking. He definitely knows what coke is.<br><br>
Of course, one of his first ten words was "beer". That's probably why he's only in the 77th percentile!
 

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I don't know if I'm missing something here, but the checklists on that site are for hearing impaired children from what I can see. Language development is a lot different in a hearing imparied child than in a child with normal hearing so I can't see the point of the checklist unless your child has problems.
 

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I just quickly perused the table and found A is in the 72% at 28 months old.<br>
But I think she has just finally 'realized' her speaking ability to a greater extent just this evening.<br><br>
As she was lying down with me on the couch, reading a book, she suddenly got excited and said 'nose', and proceeded to point out my nose, her sister's nose, her daddy's nose and her own nose, saying 'nose' each time.<br>
She knows what it is, and when asked, has pointed at the nose she's been asked to point to, since she was way less than a year old.<br><br>
She also signs for a lot of things.<br><br>
I think she just realized she could say those words she has known and understood the meaning of for so long.
 

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I just wanna say that this inventory of words doesn't translate since I gues my son communicates a little differently<br><br>
See its funny he can do the teeth brushing and dancing but I never really bothered with pat a cake or blowing kisses... mind he can open containers and investigate inside and comminucate his curiousity... he can sign milk... that is not on the form...<br><br>
kinda leave me shrugging my shoulders
 

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When we were having DS evaluated for hearing issues, one of the big determining factors was whether he could "cue" a word - basically could he let you know he wants juice, even if he can't say the word. If a child cannot communicate, the doctors then start looking for problems besides hearing. Children who are hearing-impaired typically will communicate pretty well what they want.
 

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Interesting checklist, but I wish the instructions were more detailed. I am wondering just how much substitution they allow. I did it just exactly as the words were listed and only got 45% for my 30 m/o DD, who has been speaking in full paragraphs for many months.<br><br>
But then, if I allow slight substitions, I come up with a vastly different result:<br><br>
She doesn't say, "yum yum" but she says, "delicious".<br>
She doesn't say "sofa" but she says "couch"<br>
She doesn't say "coke" but she says "pop"<br>
etc.....<br><br>
Also, what about things they've never been exposed to:<br>
DD never had a crib and has never seen a pretzel.
 

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Interesting but I couldn't see a graph for Girls. I only saw one for Boys. Perhaps I didn't see it..?<br><br>
My daughter has a great inventory of words and if I put her vocabulary on the graph for the boys, she is in the 90th percentile but it's an inaccurate picture of her current verbal abilities. DD is a bit behind in putting together two word sentences so we're getting EI help for that.<br><br>
DD wouldn't know "cracker" because we call it a "biscuit" or a "snack". She wouldn't know "coke" because we don't have it in our house. And I agree with the PP, some kids like my daughter will use "please" a lot when she means "thank you" but I get what she's trying to say to me.<br><br>
This reminded me of something the EI SLP asked when she came to DD's first evaluation. She asked me if DD knew how to say "fries" or "cheeseburger" or "McDonald's" and I was flabbergasted. Without getting too self-righteous I told her nicely that we normally don't eat there so DD wouldn't know those words. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 
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