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I didn't know where to put this, so I hope I'm putting this in the right place. I'm not thinking straight right now, so forgive me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I'll start by saying I'm 19 weeks. I've looked up every website I can possibly come across to see what the signs are for a miscarriage. I fall under the bleeding and cramping categories. However, here are a few other things I'd like to add.<br><br>
My son, who is still nursing, became very ill last week for a couple of days. Because of his illness, I allowed him to nurse as much as he wanted, because it was nutritious, hydrating, and soothing for him. A 3-in-1 package deal, you know? Well, he's a boob man, so he didn't hesitate to take me up on the offer!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> Before this, he was breastfeeding 3, sometimes 4, times a day.<br><br>
I was actually thrilled Friday night when he was vigorously nursing, because I was leaning back in my glider (it reclines), had my feet propped up on the ottoman, and my son was nursing across my belly. However, the mix of laying on my back and him putting too much pressure on my belly wasn't good, because next thing I know, I immediately sat up straight without thinking because I felt the kick of a lifetime!!!! I mean, it felt as strong as what you'd feel from a baby ready to be born. The strength was amazing!!! Obviously, baby was letting us know to get off! I loved it, because I started to make jokes about it and started describing what life was going to be like with baby and our other children. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> Besides, I've only felt flutters up to this point, so I loved knowing he/she is well alive in there and doing alright! At least, so I thought...<br><br>
Also, when my son was nursing yesterday, he accidently kicked me hard in my stomach. It hurt bad. I didn't think anything of it, because I felt like the baby was well protected, so it may have awakened him or her, but that's it.<br><br>
Then I wake up this morning to a pool of blood in the toilet! I was shocked! I had felt cramping a lot during the night, but I just thought my uterus was stretching or something. No big deal. But seeing the blood made me nervous.<br><br>
I know stimulating the nipples can cause contractions, so I don't know if allowing my son to vigorously nurse, plus being kicked yesterday had anything to do with this. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I'm probably overreacting. I hope I am! But I wanted to hear from other mama's. What has been your experience? Do you know what could be happening? I'm also reading about other things that could be going on. None of them good.<br><br>
I'll quit rambling. I'd appreciate anyone's support and help! TIA! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">
 

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No advice, other than to call your HCP immediately, but <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">No advice, other than to call your HCP immediately, but <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"></div>
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Thanks for the hug! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I'd call my doctor, but I choose to UC this time around. So I'd need to go to the PCM, who will automatically give me a referral to my old OB, but that'll take time. I was planning on getting the referral this week, actually, but only using it if needed. Guess I should have done that last week. *Sigh* I posted in the UC forum, asking other UC'ers what they'd do. We'll see. In the meantime, I'm just gonna go pray and lean on God's Word.<br><br>
Thanks, Materfamilias!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks for the hug! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I'd call my doctor, but I choose to UC this time around. So I'd need to go to the PCM, who will automatically give me a referral to my old OB, but that'll take time. I was planning on getting the referral this week, actually, but only using it if needed. Guess I should have done that last week. *Sigh* I posted in the UC forum, asking other UC'ers what they'd do. We'll see. In the meantime, I'm just gonna go pray and lean on God's Word.<br><br>
Thanks, Materfamilias!</div>
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Honestly, this is probably not something you'd want to hear.... but I would go into L/D. You can refuse anything you don't want but they will at least be able to tell if you are in labor or not and possibly stop it so that the baby can stay in and survive.<br><br>
I hate interventions too -- but with a baby just a few weeks away from "viability"... honestly I would do every thing I could to save him.<br><br>
I went on bedrest at week 18 with my two -- I remember seeing their little baby heads on the ultrasound screen and the doc saying I had to quit working or lose them ... I knew at that moment that there was nothing more important to me than keeping them alive. I had also wanted a drug free home birth ... and it all turned out the opposite... but the babies did survive and I am grateful.<br><br>
With whatever you choose, good luck and <<hugs>>
 

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Coming over from the UC thread. 19 weeks is not close to viability by my own definition. If you would be comfortable with a micro-premie spending months in the NICU, you might go in. But I probably would not. I would wait and see. If I miscarried I would absolutely not do it under medical supervision. I might go see a CNM later, to make sure everything was okay, if I had any doubts. I would not want my loss medically managed though. JMO. I have no idea if you are actually miscarrying though-these are just my thoughts. There is little that would have gotten me to see an OB prior to 28 weeks.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If you would be comfortable with a micro-premie spending months in the NICU, you might go in.</div>
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I just wanted to gently state that I don't know of any mom who would be "comfortable" with having a child in intensive care, but I respect your opinions. take care.
 

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I'm a very non-interventionist homebirther. With my last pregnancy I had contractions 3 min apart for a couple of hours at not quite 25 weeks. Fortunately I drank a ton of water and they stopped and then I called my midwife. I could have gone to the ER but I didn't feel it was necessary at that point so I didn't.<br><br>
In your situation I would call my midwife, or if she wasn't available I would go to the ER and at least get an ultrasound to try to determine what was going on. I would try to think in advance of what I would do based on various possible outcomes (fetal demise, placenta previa, preterm labor, etc) but I would want enough information to make an informed decision. If I were in labor, I personally would want to try to stop it although I don't believe I would choose to remain on drugs to prevent contractions for the duration of the pregnancy. FWIW, I have a friend who had preterm labor at 20 weeks. She went to the ER, they gave her meds and the contractions stopped. I don't know what she did as far as management after that, but she delivered her baby at 40 weeks. So very early labor is not always a predicator of a very preterm birth.
 

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I've PMed a friend of mine, who had exactly the same thing with her third son, who was born safely back in April. They never did find out what was causing it. I've also bled nonstop throughout a pregnancy, which turned out to be due to a lobe off the placenta which moved upwards at a different rate to the rest of the placenta: effectively, placental accretion, but of a very small and confined part of the whole.<br><br>
I would rest, pray and do nothing. If the bleeding intensifies to the point where it is dangerous for you, I would go to the ER. If the bleeding reoccurs, at that point I would look at finding a care provider and arranging for a scan to identify placental positioning.<br>
My DD1 died at 24 weeks gestation and was homebirthed: I am grateful firstly, that we were spared the decision of whether to accept medical treatment for her or not, and secondly, that she had the birth we planned for her, at home, into the bosom of her family. She never knew us, but that's not as important as the fact that we knew her. It helped us grieve, and with a bit of time in the way, I am so glad that things turned out that way and it is something I'd encourage anyone whose child died before the onset of labour (or during the 2nd tri) to consider, if you're homebirth inclined.
 

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Honestly, if I was pregnant and found a pool of blood in the toilet I would head directly to the ER - large amounts of blood are nothing to mess around with and if you were to discover that you have placenta previa bedrest might mean a world of difference to the survival of your baby.<br><br>
Hope you are feeling better soon!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I just wanted to gently state that I don't know of any mom who would be "comfortable" with having a child in intensive care, but I respect your opinions. take care.</div>
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I only meant, if she would choose that over miscarrying, that'd be a reason to go in.
 

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It sounds to me like something else is going on. My 3 year old who was then 18-26 months kicked me, laid on me, jumped on me and nursed, nursed, nursed to no detriment to my gestating babe.<br><br>
I, personally, would immediately go to labor/delivery. However, that is your decision to make. Hugs to you. Please let us know what you decide and how the LO is doing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Coming over from the UC thread. 19 weeks is not close to viability by my own definition. If you would be comfortable with a micro-premie spending months in the NICU, you might go in. But I probably would not. I would wait and see. If I miscarried I would absolutely not do it under medical supervision. I might go see a CNM later, to make sure everything was okay, if I had any doubts. I would not want my loss medically managed though. JMO. I have no idea if you are actually miscarrying though-these are just my thoughts. There is little that would have gotten me to see an OB prior to 28 weeks.</div>
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I agree with SublimeBirth Girl. For me, personally, if I was birthing a baby that was that far from surviving on it's own I would stay home and let Nature go it's course. I would definately do what I could on my own to try to keep baby cooking though. Complete bedrest until the bleeding stoped or was obviously not going to (in which case I'd probably pretty much stay in bed to miscarry anyway, but ykwim) and I'd be reading my copy of Susan Weeds Childbearing Year and drinking her Threatened Miscarriage brew.<br><br>
And just in case you don't own a copy I though I'd mention she recomends taking up to 2000 IU of Vitamin E a day during the crises period. I don't feel comfortable writing out her recipe here or going indepth into her suggestions for copyright reasons, but if you PM me I'll happily pass on any info you may like.
 

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This doesn't sound much like a "miscarriage". (sorry, but having lost a baby at 19 weeks 5 days I have trouble seeing 19 weeks as a miscarriage despite the medical definition) I'd be concerned about placenta previa or a subchorionic hemotoma or some other placental issue, which seems like it could be important to know about if you are birthing unassisted.
 

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I wanted to let everyone know how much I dearly appreciate each and every one of your responses and suggestions! It really means a lot to me!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> Keep 'em coming!<br><br>
I knew everyone would have mixed responses in what they would do, but honestly, it helps to hear what everyone would do, because it helps me sort out what I should do. Plus, when I second guess a decision, it helps to know someone else would have done the same thing. Kwim? So I really appreciate and respect all of your opinions! Wish I could respond to them all, but I only have a moment to give an update.<br><br>
Fwiw, I only called it a miscarriage, because I didn't want to get techinical. I apologize if that offended anyone, but if I called it preterm labor, someone else might be offended by that. So I stuck with what the medical field calls it, which is a miscarriage before 20 weeks. I'm 19 weeks, so however you want to look at it. It's a baby at conception, that's what I do know. Forgive me if I offended anyone! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
*Here's an update since this morning* I've decided to wait it out for now. So far, since this morning's incident, I've only spotted a little and it was dark, unlike what I saw in the bathroom this morning. Maybe that's a good sign? Maybe not? I've been reading other mama's stories of miscarriage/preterm labor, and wow, it really is all so different for every woman! So I don't know what to think about the dark spotting just yet. I've had light, consistant cramping, which normally I'd say is simply my uterus stretching and growing, but with the blood, I don't know? And recently, I started to feel pressure down there and I'm telling myself, "It's all in your head!" But I do feel some sort of pain or pressure in my pelvic bones. It comes and goes with whatever position I'm in. Laying down, it goes away. Sitting or standing up, it comes back, but not everytime.<br><br>
Oh, I have also noticed in the bathroom a white tissue like thing in there...oh, I'd describe it as if someone ripped a little toilet tissue off, put it in the water, and it sat for a minute. That's never been there before and it has been with every potty break. I asked dh if he noticed anything like that when he goes and he said he had not. I've searched high and low for what it could be and I'm turning up nothing. Any ideas?<br><br>
I'm also questioning if the blood was in my urine instead? And my uterus just happens to be growing at the same time right now? So perhaps I have UTI instead? I read an infection of the bladder could resemble that of a miscarriage (pelvic pain, cramping in lower abdominals). It doesn't hurt to go to the bathroom, however, which my past UTI burned. The white stuff I just mentioned, I thought might also be in my urine, but it seemed too big to come from there and my urine isn't cloudy (quite clear and light, I drink lots of water). But maybe it did come from there? (Sorry if that's tmi! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> )<br><br>
I've been typing with one hand, because I'm nursing my toddler. So forgive me for cutting this quickly, but he needs me, with two hands now. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Thank you all and I will check back in a bit later!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I agree with SublimeBirth Girl. For me, personally, if I was birthing a baby that was that far from surviving on it's own I would stay home and let Nature go it's course.</div>
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Yeah, that's how I used to feel. Then I had two miscarriages. I really thought they'd be no big deal so early in a pregnancy (6 weeks), but they were very horrible and it didn't just take a toll on me, but my family and that made it even harder.<br><br>
Also, I've yet to meet anyone who had a preemie baby or a LO end up in intensive care, and say they wish they had let nature take it's course. One of my close friends was a preemie. You'd never guess it, bc he's over 6 feet tall and HUGE.
 

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I'm not offended, but to me its different than an early miscarriage, no matter what they call it, because unlike an early miscarriage there are interventions that can get a 19 week old pregnancy who is having some problems to full term or near term. And while a miscarriage earlier is due most of the time to a problem with the baby, a late miscarriage or pre-term labor is often a problem with the mom.<br><br>
I can totally understand not wanting a baby in the NICU and not believing in extraordinary measures for a micro-preemie, but I don't think every possible problem that you could find due to bleeding will necessarily lead to a micro-preemie.<br><br>
You have to do what you are comfortable with though. It just seems like you have a lot of questions and it would be easier to go forward if they were answered and you knew what you were dealing with but maybe that's just my take on it. Good luck either way, I'm sending you wishes that your baby is fine, and the bleed was a one time aberration.
 

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If this were happening to me I would be up to the hospital very fast....but then I am in Canada. I had slight bleeding (nothing compared to what is going on with you) with both dd1 and dd2. I know I would be wanting to do anything I could do to make sure baby was ok....but again that is just me. I hope everything goes ok. Please keep us posted. You and your baby are in my prayers.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Honestly, this is probably not something you'd want to hear.... but I would go into L/D. You can refuse anything you don't want but they will at least be able to tell if you are in labor or not and possibly stop it so that the baby can stay in and survive.<br><br>
I hate interventions too -- but with a baby just a few weeks away from "viability"... honestly I would do every thing I could to save him.<br><br>
I went on bedrest at week 18 with my two -- I remember seeing their little baby heads on the ultrasound screen and the doc saying I had to quit working or lose them ... I knew at that moment that there was nothing more important to me than keeping them alive. I had also wanted a drug free home birth ... and it all turned out the opposite... but the babies did survive and I am grateful.<br><br>
With whatever you choose, good luck and <<hugs>></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">: They could just check quickly to see if baby is ok and what is going on and you can refuse anything. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm not offended, but to me its different than an early miscarriage, no matter what they call it, because unlike an early miscarriage there are interventions that can get a 19 week old pregnancy who is having some problems to full term or near term. And while a miscarriage earlier is due most of the time to a problem with the baby, a late miscarriage or pre-term labor is often a problem with the mom.</div>
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Just speaking from personal experience... Unless you've been through a pregnancy loss it is very easy believe in letting things "take their natural course." Some folks still hang onto that philosophy, but a lot of us can't.<br><br>
And I don't even want to begin to guess what it'd feel like to potentially lose a pregnancy late or have a baby come under harm, and find out something could have maybe been done to stop it...<br><br>
If everything's okay, it's worth it for peace of mind.<br><br>
If nothing can be done, it's better to get as much info as possible. Not knowing why things go wrong is very hard, bc then it's very easy to obsess about "what ifs" and second guess choices. It also can make future pregnancies very emotionally difficult bc a mother spends all her time worrying that it'll happen again.
 

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are you able to feel your baby moving at all today? the blood was bright red at first, and then got darker? like dark red or like brown, old blood?<br><br>
i am assuming you haven't had an u/s since you are going to go the uc route, but one thing that pops in to my mind is placenta previa, or a partial one. sometimes cramping can occur with it, and it can make itself known usually in the last 1/2 of the 2nd trimester to the early third trimester. it's occurance is about 1 in 200 pregnancies. an ultrasound is needed to confirm it, though.<br><br>
how would you characterize your cramping? low, middle, in your back? sharp, dull, achey? do they feel like dilating contractions or are they different?<br><br>
are you getting any prenatal care at all from someone? are you donig it yourself? do you have access to something that would allow you to listen to your baby's heartbeat?<br><br>
i hope it's nothing, mama <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/goodvibes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Goodvibes">:
 
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