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Hello all, I'm Wendy, a 26-yr-old SAHM to my two children Emily<br>
(4yrs.) and Zackary (9mths.). Emily had her 2, 4 and 6 mth.<br>
vaccinations and then we stopped. Zack hasn't been vaccinated at all. It was a tough decision for my hubby and I not to vaccinate<br>
our children but we feel it was the best decision.<br><br>
Now to my concern. For about a week now my son has been a bit cranky (normally a pretty happy baby) and he had a dry cough mostly at night that started last week. He would wake up coughing about 1X a night. He also felt a *bit* warm, but not warm enough that I thought to check his temperature. I figured he was just teething and that's what those symptoms were from. But now he has been coughing more. He wakes up 1-2X a night coughing and he's also started to cough during the day. It is a dry cough and he doesn't seem to have any other cold-like symptoms that would make me think he has a cold. His nose has been a bit boogery (sorry, don't know a better way to describe it - it's not runny and not really stuffy, but he does seem to have some green in there).<br><br>
In the last few days my daughter has started to cough. At first it<br>
was maybe 1X a day and now she's been coughing approx. 2X a day - no other symptoms except she's been REALLY cranky too for the last 4-5 days. and has seemed a bit more tired than usual.<br><br>
Last night I started to feel tightness/shortness of breath in my chest but haven't been coughing a whole lot. I've been coughing a couple times today, and feel a bit lightheaded and nauseous, but other than that the main prob is the feeling of tightness/shortness of breath in my chest.<br><br>
So after that big long story, do any of you think it would be wise<br>
to go into the doctor to get a nose/throat culture taken on all of us to check for pertussis? Does anybody know how long a culture should take to get the results back from? Do you think getting started on erythromycin just in case might be a good idea? I'd love to think this is just something simple, like maybe an airborne irritant or allergies of some sort, but I'm actually starting to get worried this could be pertussis. This is the first time I am truly very worried about this.<br><br>
I've had a couple people suggest to me that it is probably just a simple virus we've all caught and I'm hoping that is true. Should I maybe pump everyone up on Vitamin C? If so, what would be the best way to do that and how much should I use?<br><br>
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated! Please feel free to<br>
email me directly at whagerty @ mdirect.net (minus the space before and after the @ symbol) or post here. Thanks very much!<br><br>
Wendy :-(
 

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No advice here, sorry, I just wanted to send you healing thoughts. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I hope that your household is happy and healthy again soon.
 

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There was an article in the paper not too long ago on the subject because an outbreak had occured in my county. Its from the CDC and lists symptoms:<br><br>
*Pertussis, or whooping cough, is an accute infectious disease caused by teh bacterium Bordatella pertussis.<br><br>
*The incubation period of pertussis is usually seven to 10 days, with a range of 4 to 21 days, and rarely may be as long as 42 days.<br><br>
*The course of the illness is divided into three stages, starting with a runny nose, sneeing, low-grade fever and mild cough. The cough gradually becomes more severe, often elevating to periodic fits of coughing so severe they can cause vomiting.<br><br>
*Whooping cough is considered highly contagious among susceptivel household contacts. It can be life-threatening, especially to infants before immuization. About 20 percent of cases are hospitalized.<br><br>
*Whooping cough is a common childhood disease. Before the availability of pertussis vaccine in the 1940's, more than 200,000 cases were reported annually.<br><br>
*Since widespread use of the vaccine began, incidence of the disease has decreased more than 98%, to an average of about 4,400 cases per year. It is most fatal among infants, but fewer than 1 percent of those infected in the United States die of the infection It is more commonly fatal in countries without immuization programs or where malnutrition or poor health are prevalent.
 

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Whooping cough gets its name from the "whoop" sound from the air intake breath before the cough. Also, usually, a sufferer can't breathe lying down but needs to sleep propped up. And, there is phlegm coughed up. There are other symptoms, I think, like a fever. There is a sputum (I think) test for this. DO NOT TAKE AN ANTIBIOTIC "JUST IN CASE". Go to a doc who is sympathetic to the no-vax thing and get tested. It isn't a big deal. A friend's son had gotten exposed, got tested, it came up positive, got the antiobiotics before the well-known symptoms appeared and now has an immunity.
 

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there have a been a few times that I have seen on this forum, treatments for pertussis. A number of people have either experienced it with their children or themselves.<br><br>
I remembered one from a little while ago and dug up that thread.<br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/sh...ussis+treatment" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sh...ussis+treatment</a><br><br>
also somewhere in these threads is the link to hear the cough for whooping cough. It can be a distinct sound.<br><br>
I must say, when I read your description I was wondering about croup? Could it be? anyway, you might want to check that in health and healing.<br><br>
hugs to you and your little ones.
 

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I agree with trabot, it sounds more like croup to me. There are some good threads on it in Health and Healing.<br><br>
My ds did get whooping cough when he was 18 months, and I had it about six years ago.<br><br>
When we coughed, it was like twenty coughs in a row. I would gag up stuff or throw up, ds just coughed until he had to gasp for air. And it was an almost constant, during the worst parts of it, not just a couple times a day.<br><br>
If you need to go get tested to calm yourself, go ahead. Just try to find a non-vax friendly place to do it. Otherwise you'll have to put up with lectures or worse.<br><br>
Good luck.
 

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Thank you for putting those temps up, Hilary.<br><br>
Are those readings from oral, underarm or the other (I can't type the word, I'm sorry <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">) And I can't do 'the other' to my kids either.<br><br>
I'm a bad mom with this. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/sulkoff.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="tiptoe">
 

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Dear Asherah,<br><br>
I know it might seem silly, but it's true. The words rectal or anal give me the shakes. I prefer not to even think that you can get your temperature taken that way. I hope that's the first word alzheimer's takes from me.<br><br>
And I think any person whohad to watch an incompetent nurse do what they did to my dd <b>6</b> times because she didn't know what in hell she was doing, and the subsequent consequences of her bumbling would have the same reaction as I have.<br><br>
Call it an idiosyncracy, that's mine.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by trabot</i><br><b>also somewhere in these threads is the link to hear the cough for whooping cough. It can be a distinct sound.</b></td>
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Here's the link: <a href="http://www.whoopingcough.net" target="_blank">http://www.whoopingcough.net</a>
 

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Just to let you know that I am now getting over a virus with those same symptoms--it is going around. I don't have a stuffy nose...it started with a weird dry cough and feeling in my chest. A few days later I got a fever that lasted for 4 days. Now it is almost gone, but my cough still remains. Our doctor said it is a mild flu that is making the rounds.
 

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And I think any person whohad to watch an incompetent nurse do what they did to my dd <b>6</b> times because she didn't know what in hell she was doing, and the subsequent consequences of her bumbling would have the same reaction as I have.<br>
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I assume getting a rectal temp? I think I let it be done one time to my dd,and I tried it one time that way.After that I said," Get it under the damn arm or you are not getting it at all. Every time I took ds to the ped for a WCC my notes for the doctor had in big letters:<br>
NO RECTAL TEMPS<br>
DO NOT RETRACT THE FORESKIN<br>
WE DO NOT VACCINATE<br><br>
If the kids ever have to get a blood draw I think I would only allow a person to attempt 2 times,or maybe I would just ask for a person known to do it well.<br>
So sorry to read your dd went through that hell.<br>
So many kids do sadly go through such crap when their parents take them to the ER, and they get a full work up for what turns out to be a virus!<br>
I was one of them,but I ended up refusing the blood draw on dd and taking her home before they could cause her much more trauma.<br>
Live and learn.My poor dd went through a lot of crap before I wised up.<br>
Sara
 

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Thanks for the sympathy, Sara. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
My dd was only 5 weeks old and the nurse said the only way to get an accurate reading was to do it that way. She was so rough with her, I was so angry.<br><br>
The only good part to it all was when dd decided to go to the bathroom all over her and the thermometer. I blinked my eyes, smiled and said, what did you expect, when you've been bugging her for almost fifteen minutes straight?<br><br>
It just kills me (with laughter) when nurses get all worked up over a little bit of poop.<br><br>
Sorry for the hijack.<br><br>
Now, back to whooping cough...
 

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thank you bunches for the link to the sound... good to have, just in case either of my 2 pick it up, especially since it is so close.
 

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inxcidentally- that is exactly how i sounded while i was pg with dd.. was treated for asthma and bronchitis<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">
 

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My girls have it. The nose culture takes a week to come back.<br><br>
edited to correct and to add stuff now that I am not holding a baby:<br><br>
We haven't gotten the culture back but we are pretty darn sure. I feel better now that we have researched it. The hardest part for me is the lack of sleep (exactly Hilary!) and staying away from others so we don't spread it.
 

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They are 9 months old. The culture was just taken today so we won't know for a week, but I promise you, they have it. It is a clear cut case. Thank goodness we have a new ped that is *extremely supportive* of not vaxing- though he is more pro-meds than I am.<br><br>
We don't leave them alone for a second because of the coughing. They cough forever without taking a breath, sometimes turning purple. I have figured out that putting a pacifier in stops the cough and gets them to breathe through their nose. Also blowing on their face seems to help them get a breath.
 

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laralou: I'm so sorry your girls are sick. I hope Hilary's thread was helpful. YOu might also check that thread I posted earlier for some other input...<br>
also, you might want to start your own thread and see if anyone else has some treatment suggestions.<br><br>
my own understanding is that August is the highest month for pertussis in most of the US.<br><br>
I will send good vibes that they heal quickly and I'm glad you have a ped who is supportive. Some would take this opportunity to beat up a parent..which I think is just rich considering the numbers are still there that more children who get pertussis have been vaxed for it than not. anyway, sending you hugs..and don't be shy asking for help from the moms here. I know I ask the minute something goes on with ds.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 
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