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The X Factor of Weston Price

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Price travelled the world over in order to study isolated human groups, including sequestered villages in Switzerland, Gaelic communities in the Outer Hebrides, Eskimos and Indians of North America, Melanesian and Polynesian South Sea Islanders, African tribes, Australian Aborigines, New Zealand Maori and the Indians of South America. Wherever he went, Dr. Price found that beautiful straight teeth, freedom from decay, stalwart bodies, resistance to disease and fine characters were typical of primitives on their traditional diets, rich in essential food factors.

Dr. Price discovered an additional fat soluble vitamin which is now called the Price Factor or Activator X. It is a powerful catalyst which, like vitamins A and D, helps the body absorb and utilize minerals. It was present in the diets of all the healthy population groups he studied but unfortunately has almost completely disappeared from the modern western diet. Sources include organ meats from cows eating green grass, fish eggs and shellfish. Butter can be an especially rich source of Activator X when it comes from cows eating rapidly growing grass in the Spring and Fall seasons. It disappears in cows fed cottonseed meal or high protein soy-based feeds. Fortunately, Activator X is not destroyed by pasteurization.

http://www.realmilk.com/price.html
CURING CAVITIES

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...Secondary dentine, a less well-organized form of tubular dentine, is produced throughout life as a patching material where cavities have begun, where the overlying enamel has been worn away, and within the pulp chamber as part of the aging process. Sometimes when cavities occur, production of secondary dentine can "heal" the decayed spot or rebuild portions of the tooth that have worn away. If vitamin D is adequate, secondary dentine will be well calcified. If vitamin D is lacking, dentine will be of poor quality or not present at all.

There is some evidence that the mineralization of dentine may depend on calcium derived from saliva rather than blood; in other words, it is deposited from the exterior rather than the interior of the tooth. The book describes studies by Dr. C. L. Pattison who, working with Mrs. Mellanby, determined that the calcium content of saliva doubled or even tripled when the diet contained adequate vitamin D from cod liver oil.

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...dliveroil.html
Why I'm in Awe of Activator X Butter Oil and Cod Liver Oil

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I've had a personal revelation, and I'd like to share it with you.

I was eagerly reading my copy of Eat Fat Lose Fat, the new book by Sally Fallon and Dr. Mary Enig, when a paragraph on page 77 stopped me in my tracks. It said,

Dr. Price explained that vitamins A and D are catalysts to mineral absorption and protein utilization. Without them, you cannot absorb minerals, no matter how abundant they may be in your food. In addition, Price discovered another fat-soluble nutrient, a potent catalyst for mineral absorption that he labeled Activator X. It was present in all the diets he studied.

"Wait a MINUTE!!!!" I thought. "Mineral imbalances and deficiencies can lead to all KINDS of health problems!!!! Did Dr. Price mean that if I wasn't getting enough vitamin A and D, I couldn't absorb MINERALS ????????" I read the paragraph again. That was certainly what it had said, hadn't it? It was like someone had hit me upside the head!

...Case Three: During the severe industrial depression, rampant caries developed in a great number of cases in the families of mill workers...twenty-seven mission children were selected on the basis of rampant dental caries. Since these children were all from poor homes, many of the families being on relief, one extra good meal a day at midday** was provided for the entire group at the mission. This was preceded by administration to each child of one teaspoonful of a mixture containing a high vitamin butter oil. This butter was selected on the basis of its high content of activator X. It was mixed with equal parts of a high-vitamin, natural cod liver oil. The clinical effect was apparent complete control of dental caries for the entire group, as shown in the x-ray films. In many of these cases, the open cavities were left without fillings; and, in all such cases, the exposed dentin took on a hard glassy finish. There were many other evidences of betterment.

http://greenpasture.org/awe_butter_oil.php
More: http://www.westonaprice.org/traditio...ry_wisdom.html

** This one meal consisted of:

Orange or tomato juice with 1/2 tsp each cod liver oil and high vitamin butter oil added, bone marrow broth stew with meat and veggies including very yellow carrots (or substituting fish chowder or stew with organ meats), whole wheat sourdough bread that had been made from freshly ground wheat, raw butter, raw milk, cooked fruit with very little sweetner.

Even though they ate donuts fried in vegetable fat, white flour and syrup and coffee with a lot of sugar for the rest of their meals at home, the fortification of this extremely high vitamin/mineral content lunch protected them.

Minerals in saliva increased a huge amount and bacterial counts in the mouth went way, way down. Behavior and learning was also improved.

***** You can read Weston Price's chapter on controlling decay(and rest of his groundbreaking book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration") online:
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_lib...e/price16.html
 

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Our friend discovered WAP when researching how to help their 2y.o.'s decay problems. Though they adopted the diet, there was no reversal of decay and he ended up having to have them fixed...BUT we have since adopted the diet for it's many other benefits. I think WAP'S studies prove that good nutrition from the START of life is crucial in avoiding so many of the health problems we see today, and that a change in later life can help emensely, but we've done possibly irreverable damage by our unhealthy ways. Thank goodness our children can benefit from being born into this "radical" yet logical and simple way of eating and living!
 

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"Our friend discovered WAP when researching how to help their 2y.o.'s decay problems. Though they adopted the diet, there was no reversal of decay and he ended up having to have them fixed..."

Actually, that's not the whole story. We DO believe there was decay reversal. The dentist that fixed DS's teeth said in 30 years of practice, he'd never seen such healthy tissues inside decayed teeth. We had been on the diet for 8 months (including cod liver oil AND butter oil) by the time DS had the work done, and I don't believe the dentist would have been able to say that 8 months prior. They also prepared us for super sore gums and a lot of bleeding, and his gums didn't bleed. We saw three dentists, and they all said that the decay would be to the root within 3 months. That wasn't the case. I wonder now if we'd waited if the decay would have reversed completely. Unfortunately, fear got the best of me and we decided to do it sooner rather than later. But the dentist's discovery just confirmed that the WP diet was the right way.
 

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"Our friend discovered WAP when researching how to help their 2y.o.'s decay problems. Though they adopted the diet, there was no reversal of decay and he ended up having to have them fixed..."

Actually, that's not the whole story. We DO believe there was decay reversal. The dentist that fixed DS's teeth said in 30 years of practice, he'd never seen such healthy tissues inside decayed teeth. We had been on the diet for 8 months (including cod liver oil AND butter oil) by the time DS had the work done, and I don't believe the dentist would have been able to say that 8 months prior. They also prepared us for super sore gums and a lot of bleeding, and his gums didn't bleed. We saw three dentists, and they all said that the decay would be to the root within 3 months. That wasn't the case. I wonder now if we'd waited if the decay would have reversed completely. Unfortunately, fear got the best of me and we decided to do it sooner rather than later. But the dentist's discovery just confirmed that the WP diet was the right way.
oh, hi Jen! I am glad you posted--I don't know anything. So do you feel that if you would have gone longer then the reversal would have worked it's way outward and you could have avoided the procedure. You guys did your best and I know that was a tough decision for you to make.
when you say butter oil, does that mean just raw butter? i am worried that mayan can do cod liver oil but not butter oil...so where does that leave us?

I am glad, since there is so much NT talk on the boards that someone started one just about the tooth decay aspect.
 

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I'm not sure, obviously, but I do wonder. Simply because the dentist was so amazed. He said he just didn't see tissues like those INSIDE decayed teeth. And by butter oil, I mean X-Factor Gold High Vitamin Butter Oil. It's super expensive (I think it was around $150 for three 8 oz. bottles) and I ordered it from some farm in the midwest (apparently the only ones who make it). We went through those bottles, and haven't ordered more. Anyway, I KNOW it's possible to remineralize. I wish we had been able to get that far. Oh...and as for Mayan not taking butter oil, I think raw butter can be super beneficial if you can get her to do that. I have a hard time getting Benjamin to eat raw butter straight, but I've been making smoothies with raw butter, raw eggs, raw honey, raw milk, and banana...he loves them.
 

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Jennifer, I'm not sure I would have done differently, it's really hard to know exactly when to act and the right thing to do!

Mama_nomad,
Butter has the X factor, as well as milk and cream, but only if they are from cows feeding on fresh growing green grass. And the above other sources but butter/cream is so much more well suited to Western palates. It's hard to get children to eat liver! And breastmilk too, but don't specifically know what how our diet influences the production of it, I've never seen any discussion of that, not even in "Nourishing Traditions".

These are the 2 sources of butter oil that I know of.
http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/pr.../ct/1/pid/1050
http://greenpasture.org/

They make it according to the method Price devised of centrifuging butter until it is concentrated. It takes 5-6 lbs of heavy cream to make 8oz of butter oil so the concentration of X Factor is very strong.

Also I do know that Kerrygold butter and cheese is grassfed and widely available in many regular supermarkets. The X factor is not destroyed by pasteurization. And Ireland has a temperate climate, so probably a longer growing grass season. I think Straus European butter may be grassfed as well. And some New Zealand butter I can't remember the name of. Edit: it's Anchor and also Jana Valley, Purity Farms ghee, Organic Valley Pastured butter (in green foil wrapper).

Good overviews of the benefits of raw grassfed milk:
http://www.drrons.com/benefits-raw-milk.htm
http://www.drrons.com/raw-milk-veritas.htm

Schmid's book "The Untold Story of Milk" is a fascinating read.
 

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JaneS, thanks for posting this information. It is really fascinating. Having a child with tooth decay, I really appreciate hearing about proactive things that can be done for his teeth and health.

Bmanmommy, could you tell us exactly what you did? i.e. how much butter oil with how much CLO, the age of your child at that time, other supplements and/or foods that you gave?

It's great to hear about people who were able to make differences with their children's teeth!
 

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I believe we found out about Benjamin's teeth around February 2004. He was only 1 1/2. So young. I had noticed some discoloration (light brown between his front teeth). I'd been brushing them, though no flossing. The first time I flossed was around this time and the floss kept breaking. Turns out because of the decay. So they were really far along when we found the cavities (his front four teeth were affected-top). We worked with Dr. Ron Schmid (Untold Story of Milk) and our local naturopath (in addition to a local dentist). I pulled the following notes from a meeting with Dr. Schmid:

butter oil for Benjamin and Jennifer (1/2 tsp. a day)
cod liver oil (Jennifer: 2-3 tbsp., Benjamin 1 large tbsp./day)
calcium magnesium formula (2 capsules/ day…put in something he eats and me 4/ day)
Jennifer: quart raw milk a day; Benjamin as much as possible
prenatal
no honey
Me: no more than 1 piece of fruit a day
Eat mostly animal food each day
Benjamin: 1/2 piece fruit a day and no honey
Lots of raw butter

We don't stick to this now, but were religious while trying to reverse the decay. Though we do still do a ton of raw milk, raw butter and other animal products.

It was really a tough road. We were vegetarian for 7 years before Benjamin was born (though I did sneak a small amount of meat during pregnancy), up until we found the decay. After he was born, I had a lot of trouble. I had gained 31 pounds during pregnancy, lost it all by 6 weeks postpartum and got down to about 92 pounds (my usual is between 107-110). I couldn't even run upstairs and we were constantly battling eye infections. Plus, Benjamin just never looked right to me (pale). I NEVER considered that it was nutrition. Brilliant. Anyway, Benjamin blew through my reserves while breastfeeding, and when that was gone...things went downhill. We both had a lot of healing to do. He turned 2 in July of 2004 and he had his teeth fixed that next October.

Oh...other supplements:

Brewer's yeast
Bee pollen
Calcium magnesium formula that Dr. Schmid sells
Benjamin also took a greens/superfood vitamin
 

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Mama_nomad,
Butter has the X factor, as well as milk and cream, but only if they are from cows feeding on fresh growing green grass. And the above other sources but butter/cream is so much more well suited to Western palates. It's hard to get children to eat liver! And breastmilk too, but don't specifically know what how our diet influences the production of it, I've never seen any discussion of that, not even in "Nourishing Traditions".


So liver contains X factor? Is that only fresh OG liver? Mayan cannot have any dairy--no butter, milk or cream. (Protein intolerant not lactose) I do think I could get Mayan to eat liver (chicken livers wrapped in bacon is sooooo good) so is that my only choice to get the X-factor. And does CLO have to be inconjunction with Activator X to get benefits or would it just give decreased benefits given alone?

Can you tell I am too lazy to do the research myself!....if someone knows already.............
 

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I'm here!

Don't have much time to post right now but another ex-veg who turned to a whole foods omni diet (modified NT) with tooth healing. DD had rampant decay and we were able to slow it down greatly with diet, but ended up going to the dentist after getting worried. We completely killed the decay with topical fluoride treatments, but I do believe that the diet was the biggest part of the equation. We did not do X-factor butter oil but ate liver and local butter. DD's dentist said at her last checkup, "I don't know what you're doing, but keep it up!". DH's dentist was quite surprised at the combo of currently healthy teeth and gums along with a lot of past damage.

Find my posts on this thread (pg 2) for more info:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...3&page=2&pp=20
 

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Toraji,
I was reading your posts thru the link, and I have a question for you. You mentioned something to the effect of multivitamins being suspect in dental decay...here it is:

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Multi-mineral supplements (synthetic vitamins are suspect), pounded into powder and added to food since no kids multi-minerals exist that we know of.
I'm not sure what you mean by suspect and was wondering if you could elaborate on this? TIA
 

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Fourlittlebirds, I posted 2 links above.

Kimber,
In Ron Schmid's book, "The Untold Story of Milk," he references a study done in a London orphanage (I think) that raw milk alone controlled cavities.
 

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RE: Liver

Yes it does contain the X Factor, as do all organ meats, but I haven't seen as much specific info on it as butter. I assume it would also have to be grass fed?

Also shellfish, and fish but I don't know the particulars. I know fish roe does, there's a recipe for fish roe cakes in "Nourishing Traditions".

How do you make chicken livers in bacon? Broil it like scallops in bacon?

Eating liver regularly is one of my New Year's resolutions
 

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Toraji,
I was reading your posts thru the link, and I have a question for you. You mentioned something to the effect of multivitamins being suspect in dental decay...here it is:

I'm not sure what you mean by suspect and was wondering if you could elaborate on this? TIA
Synthetic vitamins have been indicated as having toxic effects on the body. That is why doctors freak out if you say that you are taking cod liver oil in pregnancy. Whereas the natural Vitamin A in cod liver oil seems to be safe, synthetic vitamin A has been known to cause birth defects. Same goes with synthetic vitamin D:

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Synthetic vitamin D added to milk can cause symptoms of vitamin D deficiency including calcification of the soft tissues and hardening of the arteries. Rats and mice fed synthetic vitamin D as .1% of their diet died in 24 to 48 hours.
from http://www.emaxhealth.com/83/1718.html

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Synthetic D2 has been linked to hyperactivity, coronary heart disease and other allergic reactions, while synthetic vitamin D3 is poorly absorbed.
from http://www.ndmnutrition.com/vitamim%20primer%20%2Fprice

More on dangers of synthetic vitamin A here: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...aminasaga.html

So then...I am suspicious of synthetic vitamins as they don't seem to be as well-absorbed and tend to be toxic, especially in high levels. I don't really feel content with things manufactured in laboratories and prefer to get my nutrients as close to the source as possible.
 

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That's the one thing that jumps out through reading "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration", the superiority of food sources of nutrients due to the cofactors involved. Vitamin D in particular was found to have anywhere between 12-20 different versions, probably why D2 and D3 alone don't work.

And on that note, the best source of minerals are homemade bone broths. Only a certain 2 year old sometimes won't eat it! (I've had the best luck boiling down lamb, chicken and beef bone broths to make sauces for the shredded meat.)

any other sources?
 

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Only halfway thru this thread but Thank You So Much!!!

My ds has had so many of his teeth worked on that I am really interested in ways I can use our diet to support his teeth.

I feel guilty about it all b/c I do not eat so well myself.

Arggh..anyway, thanks for posting all this great info!

 

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So then...I am suspicious of synthetic vitamins as they don't seem to be as well-absorbed and tend to be toxic, especially in high levels. I don't really feel content with things manufactured in laboratories and prefer to get my nutrients as close to the source as possible.
Whoa! Okay, I obviously missed something somewhere, because the kids and I have been taking a vitamin/mineral supplement daily (especially in the winter) as sort of *insurance* that we are getting what we need, and I've never thought anything of it, beyond checking for artifical colors/flavors, etc. This opens up a whole new can of worms for me to investigate
. Just when you think you've finally got it figured out.
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Oh well, I certainly appreciate the info
. Thanks.
 
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