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That's what was reported on 20/20 tonight. I don't usually watch that show, but it was very fascinating!<br><br>
Another country w/ lots of happy people:<br><br>
-Singapore, even though they have the highest death penalty in the world and a boatload of rules. What makes them more unhappy is the focus on material posessions and competive nature regarding $ (so says the report).<br><br><br><br>
Unhappy:<br><br>
-Zimbabwe<br><br>
-Italy is the unhappiest in all of Europe, mostly b/c of all the govt. corruption and mistrust<br><br>
-Iraq - uh, no kidding.<br><br>
(I can't recall others, but of course places w/ huge poverty)<br><br>
Happiest place in the US:<br><br>
-Asheville, NC - strong sense of community, arts, fresh air, etc...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Zimbabwe?! That's unexpected. Any more information on how they calculated happiness/unhappiness markers?</div>
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No. I missed the beginnning of the program. It was so interesting, though, that I'm going to look it up later today. I'll post if/when I find something.
 

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And it looks like GD or respect for individual freedom is not a requirement for happiness:<br><br>
Safety and Success<br>
This high proportion of satisfied citizens wasn't the case 40 years ago, when a man named Lee Kwan Yew took power in Singapore, and laid down the law. He made the Chinese and Malaysian locals learn English, banned spitting, chewing gum and long hair, and even paid educated people to have children.<br>
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With his draconian laws he transformed Singapore from a smelly, chaotic seaport into one of the richest, cleanest, safest and most efficient big cities in the world. But woe unto those who break the rules and litter or forget to flush. "[Singapore] is based on the rules," one local said. "[With] rules and very systematic country."<br>
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There are fines for the smallest infractions, and more serious criminals are strapped to a rack and beaten with a bamboo cane.<br>
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We met one man in Singapore who has seen and felt Singaporean justice firsthand. After serving 15 years for gang-related crimes, Neville Tan is now a pastor with a prison ministry. He says he was caned many times and describes it as a "horrible, painful experience." But he doesn't mind it one bit. "We feel safe. If we don't break the law, we don't have to worry about the law."<br><br><a href="http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2008/01/abcs-2020-singapores-secret-to.html" target="_blank">http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/20...secret-to.html</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">And it looks like GD or respect for individual freedom is not a requirement for happiness:<br></div>
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Yeah, that's weird, isn't it? I am quite sure that *I* would not want to live in Singapore (or even visit). It's very strange, almost like they are brainwashed.
 

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I saw part of the show. It was interesting.<br><br>
A good friend lived in Singapore for a year. She really liked it as a visitor... but said she wouldn't want to live there long-term. It was too unreal/Disney-esque.<br><br>
RE: Singapore's Laws... I think the key is if they are applied consistently. If everybody knows that if you spit your gum out on the sidewalk you will be caned... there's very little room for wondering about what will happen. You know the consequence. You know the discipline is consistent. In that way, it's viewed as being fair. I think if some people got caned, some people got jail, and others got a fine... the uncertainty would lead to more stress. I think one of the problems with the US legal system is that it's so subjective. Race influences it. Money/Power influences it.
 

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So interesting!<br><br>
And I know I'm the happiest in Asheville, NC... I miss it so much since we moved and when we go back to visit I feel so ALIVE and REFRESHED! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">:
 

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Zimbabwe? Seriously?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> That has to be an error. Robert Mugabe has been tormenting the population and hunger, disease and serious repression of freedoms are part of daily life.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Unless of course the pol was taken by Mugabe's government and then I have no doubt that he would paint a picture of sweetness and light as opposed to reality. but since he has expelled pretty much all the western press, we don't really know what the hell is going on there.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">"Denmark came top, followed closely by Switzerland and Austria. The UK ranked 41st. Zimbabwe and Burundi came bottom."<br></div>
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<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"> OP Here! Sorry about that, I was <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/sleeping.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="sleeping"> when I posted this last night. OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I have sooooo been there! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> Don't worry, now it makes sense. Although I must say, with my love of natural daylight, Denmark is a bit surprising for me personally. Looooooong dark winters there for sure.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/cold.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Cold">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">"Denmark came top, followed closely by Switzerland and Austria. The UK ranked 41st. Zimbabwe and Burundi came bottom."<br><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5224306.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5224306.stm</a><br><br>
world view<br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/28_07_06_happiness_map.pdf" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...piness_map.pdf</a></div>
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That makes a WHOLE lot more sense, thanks.
 

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Denmark is so homogenous (as are some of the other 'happiest' countries mentioned) - I wonder how much that has to do with it?<br><br>
While I find Singapore's rules and disciplines restrictive and harsh, having travelled there a few times, I have to admit that most of the people I've met there are happy. They're well cared for, it's a rich, thriving country, big social safety nets, huge sense of community....and people act within the law for the most part. What's not to like? I'm envious. OTOH the commercialism and consumerism is HUGE - megamalls everywhere, signs of wealth, power, status in your face. Oh well.
 
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