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Hi everyone. My name is Erika I'm just coming over to this forum. My baby girl was born May 7th. We are having problems with painful feeding. I've deduced between myself and a girlfriend who is an experiened nurser, that Olivia is not putting her tongue over her bottom gums and she is flicking my nipple with every suck. I 've had our LLL leader check as well as my midwife several time over for latch and physical anomolies and both of them say she latches like a champ, position is good and there are no anatomical issues. I'm soooooooooooo sore. She is gaining very well and output is great. So despite my pain she is getting what she needs. I CAN'T comfort nurse right now and she is content on a 3-4 hour pattern. I feel like I am going to loose it totally and DH is beside himself as he has trouble soothing her. ugh...this is MUCH harder than birthing her! This should be on the epitaph of my grave "I breastfed my baby!" My goodness. I knew it was going to be hard and hurt - but not like this.<br><br>
I'm so frustrated and sore! I don't know what i can do to help her. My girlfriend (who nursed her) tried a whole bunch of things to try and change what she was doing with no success. We've tried a walking the tongue exercise by putting your finger in her mouth and pushing on the tip of the tongue and working towards the back. She doesn't suck on a finger properly either. Any ideas out there. I'm so frustrated. I had given away all the formula the companies sent me when we had a food pantry week a week and a half ago and yesterday another can arrived - it's soooooo tempting me and I don't want to go there! Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated - Erika
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> So sorry to hear you're in pain. It sounds like you're doing a great job seeking help and sticking it out, good for you!<br><br>
I had similar issues for the first several weeks of my daughter's life. She seemed to have a "perfect" latch and was gaining very well, but I was miserable! What eventually helped us was my making sure she opened her mouth as wide as possible every time I latched her on. I used my finger to hold down her chin, actually.<br><br>
I certainly didn't believe it in those early days, but it does, in fact, get a lot better.
 

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Hugs mama...<br><br>
I didn't have that specific problem, but I did have pain and bleeding (yikes). Just when I was so close to giving up and was completely depressed, things got better <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> . This was in he first week though. Good for you to seek help. Maybe you could try a lactation consultant as well. Take care and congratulations on the new babe.
 

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I don't know if you have tried this, but it rreally helped my first DS with his latch.<br>
I placed my hand around my nipple like a "C" and pushed back the top part with my thumb so that the nipple was pointing at the ceiling. I just rubbed his lip and when he opened I put the nipple facing up right against the roof of hos mouth. I hope everything works out for you!
 

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hi,<br>
i posted on here a couple weeks ago,...sounding just like you.<br>
i was sooooo sore off and on (mostly on) for about 6 1/2 weeks. i almost quit a couple times. it was wayyyy worse at night. i was so miserable.<br>
anyway, things have started getting better and i am alot less sore.<br>
get the lansinoh creme and put it on often. and go braless as much as possible. seriously it helps alot.<br>
try to stick with it. take it one feeding at a time. it will get better.<br>
and don't give into formula. do you have a pump that you can use if you need to? but giving a bottle could screw things up more....which is why i never gave in and used one. i decided that if it came down to it and i couldn't do it and needed a break i would pump and use an eyedropper to feed him.<br>
but it didn't come down to that.<br>
really i thought my soreness would last forever. it will get better!<br>
hang in there.<br>
i couldn't comfort nurse either. most of the time i still can't....but it is getting better<br><br>
hang in there!!!!!!<br>
stephani
 

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I'd try to get an appointment with a lactation consultant ASAP. A LLL leader and an experienced mama can help, but sometimes they are not enough. Here's a link to help you find one near you <a href="http://gotwww.net/ilca/" target="_blank">http://gotwww.net/ilca/</a><br><br>
If it is not covered by your insurance, splurge on this. You will be happy you did, and you'll save anyway by not having to buy formula.<br><br>
Please keep us posted!
 

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Mama I feel for you! You are doing an amazing job and your baby is SO worth it!<br><br>
My little guy had a small mouth and had a hard time latching on. I was bleeding and cracked. If I pumped the milk came out pink <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Here are a few suggestions. Hopefully one of them will work.<br>
Try using different positions each feed. One feed I would nurse him in the cradle hold, the next in the football hold. It put less pressure on the particular part of my nipple, there fore less likely to open a healing crack. Also some positions just might be better for her at this age. Ds did well with the football hold when he was smallest.<br><br>
If her latch is really strong at the beginning, can you try expressing a bit before you nurse to make sure that the let down has happened and that the milk is right there for her. She won't have to suck as hard.<br><br>
Or try expressing into a bottle, but using an eyedropper or I think Dr. Mendel mentions a cup in his book. Giving her a bit of milk from there again to take off the urgency of her beginning feeding?<br><br>
The other thing that I did was to feed him when he was asleep. If I thought he was going to wake up at 7 to nurse, I would go in around 6 or 6:30, lay down beside him and stir him enough so that he would latch on, but not awake enough that he was really aware of what was going on. It was a much more relaxed feeding. Maybe doing some of this would help him develop a better latch.<br><br>
I hope you find something that works, and quickly <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Take care mama and let us know how you make out.
 

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It was actually Dr. Jack Newman's book that I was thinking off. You may have a copy in your library. Here are some of his articles on line.<br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/newman/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/newman/index.html</a><br><br>
Good luck!
 

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The pointing-nipple-up-to-the-roof-of-his-mouth sounds like what we did with my DS#1 when it was so painful at first ... and that worked, too ...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
You're doing great, mama ...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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You are doing awesome, mama! I had alot of pain with my 3rd baby. I thought I was an old pro but as you will learn every baby is different. I just worked through the pain even when I felt I would jump out of my skin every time she was near my nipple. The advice given is so great I just wanted to offer support. You will get through this!!!
 

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This may seem like an obvious question to some here, but have you looked at her frenulum? My sons was attached all the way to the end of his tongue. While it did not impede our bf relationship in any way it can and does for most babies.His tongue looks forked. It is also called a tongue tie. Good luck and I really hope you get some much needed releif soon.
 

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I second the recommendation to check the frenulum. See if she is physically able to stick her tongue out past her gum line. Does her tongue cup upwards when she cries? If so, that's a good sign. If not, consider that the frenulum may be tight.<br><br>
My son also did not stick his tongue very far over his gums when nursing. He did a little bit, so I just got along. But then I took him to Craniosacral therapy (for something different), and she happened to do an adjustment in his mouth. Presto! Nursing fixed. He immediately began sticking his tongue out farther. In fact, I started seeing the tip of his tongue sticking out over his lip every time he latched on! And the slight discomfort, as well as the clicking, also went away.<br><br>
Make sure you find a craniosacral therapist who has experience with babies. Your LLL leader or an LC should have a recommendation; if they don't, check at your local natural foods store for a recommendation. Also, check this link, although not everyone in your area may be listed:<br><a href="http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.iahp.com/pages/search/index.php</a><br><br>
HTH! Let us know!!
 
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