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Okay this is a little strange...<br><br>
My Dh was born and lived on Oahu until he was 28, when his first wife had to be moved to the mainland because of medical issues. She has since passed away. We met in WA state, however his job moved us to Connecticut. We have 1 daughter age 18mo, and one on the way!<br><br>
Anyway, DH longs for HI. His sister lives in Pahoa. He talks about it all the time. I hate it here too, it's just not for us. We aretrying to get him a job and get us moved back to the west coast somewhere, anywhere. But last year we went to HI for 10 days, for our dd's 1st birthday luau. It was wonderful. HI is so the kind of lifestyle I would love to live in. It has all the culture I loved in CA and WA, plus better weather. I met so many crunchy people, I felt at home as soon as we hit the airport.<br>
SO I am trying to convice him to look out there, but he is worried about $$. He says the cost of living in crazy, and the salries are much smaller. He did interview for a job comprable to his a couple of years ago, and they offered him a job but it was a 20% paycut. AT the time I was to worried and pregnant to consider that. But now that I have been there, I really wish we had.<br><br>
So is it possible to for a family to survive on one income? How is the tech industry doing there? My DH is a software devloper, but he has always worked for insurance companies. (10 years with First Hawaiin) Can we g find hm a better job outside of the insurance industry? The job he interviewed for offered only 70K, which made it seem like after taxes we'd be renting a small one bedroom place at best. I am just hoping for some more info, sorry to be asking so many personal questions.<br><br>
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I think it's doable on a $70,000 salary. That's what a lot of couples make combined here. Don't forget that now we have Costco, Walmart and places like that, that have really brought the cost of living here comparable to other places.<br><br>
Plus, you won't have the cost of heating (or air-conditioning for that matter), won't have to buy winter clothes, etc.<br><br>
I buy all of my fresh vegetables at the state-sponsored "People's Open Markets" and you can't get any cheaper than that even on the mainland.<br><br>
With the housing market so flat here, you might even could buy a place as opposed to renting.<br><br>
Good luck and hope to have you here!
 

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Thanks!<br>
We were at the Wal-mart in Hilo like 4 times, LOL. We also went to a farmers market for a produce. My SIL took my brother and his wife to a swap-meet where she prmised good bargins too, but I opted to take the baby to the beach. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
When were there the prices to buy seemed to be on par with what we are paying here in CT, though selling our house here would be difficult. Looked like a 3 bedroom in an okay to good neighborhood was going for about 200-300K from the signs I was seeing. I never got a chance to look at a paper. Is that about right?
 

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My husband is also in the tech industry here and a $70k job here is good by our standards. That's what kills me about living here. With DH's skills he could be making much more on the Mainland but over here you're expected to work harder for less pay.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Looked like a 3 bedroom in an okay to good neighborhood was going for about 200-300K from the signs I was seeing. I never got a chance to look at a paper. Is that about right?</div>
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What neighborhoods are you looking at? $200k-$300k for a house on Oahu is cheap! Apartments here can cost that much. One thing you have to consider is the commute. The commute can be truly horrendous from certain parts of our island.
 

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Yeah - that price seems about 1/2 of what small places are going for - so that will be a shock.<br><br>
Tech industry is hard - my Step Brother works for a Japanese company - expected to work LONG LONG LONG hours for little money compared to mainland or US companies, my Dad is a software developer for an import/supplier and is in constant flux over if the company will hire out or keep him - so, not grrreat.<br><br>
But house wise most people I know in their 30s with kids who live in "nice" neighborhoods (probably 50 percent if I think it out) live either with family in one house, in an add on/ohana unit, in a house owned by family or with a lot of financial help from the parents.<br><br>
I have one friend who has a mortgage of $4500 for a nice house near the University and two other friends living in Kailua near me in an older house with a rent of $2500 - the cheapest rents are in places where the traffic/commute are horrendous so keep that in mind.
 

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sounds like the OP is talking about the Big Island. Prices here are WAAAAAY less than Oahu, and in Puna it's even cheaper. You can get a really nice place in Puna for 200-300k- really nice.<br><br>
But tech jobs here?? Median income on the island is something in the 20K/year. That's the median.<br><br>
Most of the families I know are single income families. And most of them (and us included!) aren't suffering at all.<br><br>
If you move back here, you gotta know that you won't be making the big bucks, but you get to LIVE here. There are so many ways we save money- heating, clothing, etc.....<br><br>
I love where I am <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/treehugger.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Treehugger">:
 

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Sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the Big Island. I don't know much about the real estate prices there. Is there a big demand for tech jobs on the Big Island? There aren't that many tech jobs in this state period and it's *my* impression that most of the better paying tech jobs are on Oahu and Maui. But I don't know much about software development. My hubby is in network administration.
 

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I don't know about tech jobs, but you could go to the west hawaii today website to look at ads. I would start internet job searching, and find a big island map online to find the names of towns so you can see where the jobs are.<br><br>
The main towns on the big island are Kialua Kona and Hilo. We live close to Naalehu, and it takes us about 1 1/2 hours to drive to Kona, or 2 hours to drive to Hilo from our house, to give you an idea.<br><br>
The big island has cheaper housing, for sure. Depending upon where you live, you may not have any heating or cooling bills, either. It's pretty much 70 to 80 degrees at our house year round and we don't use a heater or air conditioner at all. Some things are more expensive here, but others are cheaper...the beach is free, and they're <i>everywhere.</i> You can grow fruit in your yard. There are farmer's markets all over the place.<br><br><a href="http://www.alohaliving.com/RealEstate/Hawaii-Real-Estate/Big-Island-Real-Estate.visient" target="_blank">http://www.alohaliving.com/RealEstat...Estate.visient</a><br>
go here to look for houses and check prices for the areas you like <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
Dh and I 'shopped' there for about a year before we moved.<br><br>
Go to safeway's website, type in 96740-1623 or 96720 to get Hawaii prices.<br><br>
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My SIL lives in Pahoa on the big island and is really well connected. We are pretty sure there isn't much of a tech market there. At least according to her, and she knows everything. Sadly I loved Hilo and the surrounding area, would totally live there! But dh says all the tech jobs are on Oahu.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My SIL lives in Pahoa on the big island and is really well connected. We are pretty sure there isn't much of a tech market there. At least according to her, and she knows everything. Sadly I loved Hilo and the surrounding area, would totally live there! But dh says all the tech jobs are on Oahu.</div>
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That would explain why the population is larger there, then. I wondered why so many people were on that little island.
 

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If you're planning on moving to Oahu... you're going to have to brace yourself.<br><br>
Most of the tech jobs are on Oahu; so are most of the government contractor jobs. You won't find a nice single family home in a good neighborhood here on Oahu for a piddly little sum like 2-300K. Not unless you know someone who bought their house 60 years ago and took good care of it and never had kids who's willing to sell it to a friend. I live in one of the lower-priced areas, where you have a good-- eh, maybe two or three? hour commute to downtown in the morning rush hour... I think... that's what I hear, anyhow. We're lucky enough that DH doesn't work downtown. Anyhow, we own a 3 bd-1.5 bath 1173 sq ft condo-townhome with a tiny little yard (BUT we HAVE a tiny little yard!!) that we bought super-cheap as a fixer b/c the previous owner had kids and not enough time to fix up all the kid-marks for 320K. Most of the other units in our condo are 350K and up. There's one across the parking lot that's going for 385K, and it doesn't even have a little yard.<br>
my DH gets about 48K a year, and I will bring in about 18K this year from the reserves; we wouldn't be able to afford our place if we also didn't get about 8.5K a year from our roommate.<br>
There's a REASON a lot of people here never leave their parents' house. They help pay for an expansion on the house and live on the same lot. I know of 3 extended family clans that LITERALLY own 2 blocks, and only family lives on those 2 blocks, because a grandma/grandpa had the sense to buy a large tract of land years and years and years ago.<br>
I can *easily* spend over 700 a month in groceries *without* going out to eat. And that's shopping at the commissary 50% of the time; but it's also a good portion whole foods and organic veggies and wild-caught fish, and I haven't yet worked out how to work in veggie shopping at the people's open markets yet. I also haven't been able to find any raw milk locally, and I really really want to try it; they just closed the last dairy farm in the state.<br><br>
To be honest, I can't *wait* to leave Hawaii. It's expensive, it's got a LOT of stupid little common-sense-fix problems, traffic is ridiculous, they can't even manage to get curbside recycling figured out, they ship garbage to the mainland because they can't figure out what else to do with the trash here (which could EASILY be at LEAsT 60% reduced just by a freaking recycling program), the politics are corrupt (think scary good-ol' boy network on steroids), the education system is broken, and... Yeah. There's a lot of problems here that drive me crazy.<br><br>
There are some things I love about Hawaii. I love the food; I love the sushi; I love the fusion of cultures; I love being able to go to the beach on a whim to watch the sunset without making a big production of it; I love *so* many of the people here. I love knowing I can call up an extended family member and have someone drop by my house to fix pretty much anything I can think of; I love being able to call someone to find out where the best place to get X is. I love being able to walk around with my boob practically hanging out to feed my daughter and I (almost) never get a sideways glance. I love knowing that I will probably NEVER have to dress up more than "Aloha Crisp". I love Aloha Fridays.<br><br>
Hawaii is a great place to visit for a vacation. I would be happy to visit later in life. I do NOT want to live here for more than a month EVER again in my life. The only reason we're still here is we're waiting for my little brother to finish high school and Dh is finishing up an online degree program; They both finish the same year, and we're going to leave as soon as we can find a job for DH somewhere on the mainland.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That would explain why the population is larger there, then. I wondered why so many people were on that little island.</div>
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That just made me laugh. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I guess if you looked at a map and tried to figure out which island had 800,000 residents you wouldn't pick O'ahu!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: We are pretty packed in on this island LOL!<br><br>
Can't really help out the OP too much. The cheapest part of the island to live on (Ewa area) is also crazy far from where the jobs are (Honolulu), well I take that back, not crazy far but crazy traffic.<br><br>
Gas is nearly $3.50 a gallon, and milk is on sale 2 for $10 but organic,etc is $$ here, like over $5 for 1/2 gallon. I too shop at the commissary (military) and Costco and probably spend about $400 a month on groceries. BUT DH has been gone just about forever so I'm only buying for myself and my two kids, and they aren't big eaters LOL. Stuff adds up so fast here! I find some produce to be very high! I need to find the people's market!(someone find me a link LOL <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)<br><br>
I think Hawai'i is a wonderful place and I'd stay forever if it was closer to Florida, which is where all our family is. But it's not so we won't. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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I <i>think</i> the big island is the least populated of the islands that actually <i>have</i> people on them. I know there's at least one that doesn't have anyone living on it, but it's funny to me that the smaller islands are so full of people while we're so sparsely populated. It's like Montana with an ocean view. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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Sounds like living on Oahu is a lot like living ANYWHERE on the west coast.Having lived in Seattle, and CA, I can say it'sactually sound like it might be cheaper to live in Oahu! So at least I had that partof my vision based on reality.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I need to find the people's market!(someone find me a link LOL <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)<br></div>
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Susan - If you go to the City & County of Honolulu Website ( I think it's that one) you can put in a search for various people's markets. I'm assuming you're living on Oahu btw. The Kapiolani Community College Farmers' Market on Saturday morning is a good one. It's probably one of the largest on the island. I think they open early and go till about 11 or noon. You can get fresh food, organic beef (kinda pricey though), lots of vegetables and fruit, flowers, plants, herbs, spreads, jams, butters. It's not a huge market like those I've seen on the Mainland but it has just enough to keep my interest.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sounds like living on Oahu is a lot like living ANYWHERE on the west coast.Having lived in Seattle, and CA, I can say it'sactually sound like it might be cheaper to live in Oahu! So at least I had that partof my vision based on reality.</div>
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I think this is true. I've heard that the West coast is $$. We've spend weeks in San Diego and found the prices about the same as Hawaii. And Hawaii is, well...HAWAII! So given the choice, I'd go with that! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 
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