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The case has sometimes been made that it is environmentally irresponsible to have more than two kids, a la reports like this:<br><br><a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21684156-5009760,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...009760,00.html</a><br><br>
And I do understand the reasons people give for stopping at two, or less.<br><br>
But then I start to think - if all the people who care about the environment and are committed to learning about and taking care of it only have two kids, or one, or none at all, there may ultimately be fewer and fewer people around who care about the environment in the future.<br><br>
I'm sure I'm just rationalizing because I would so love to have a third child <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">. But I did see a stat once that claimed that about 80% of people vote the same way as their parents, so I would think a lot of attitudes about issues are, at least to an extent, passed along.<br><br>
Anyway, I'm just curious how many of you worried about these kinds of issues when planning your family, and the conclusions you ultimately reached for your own families.
 

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I am stopping at two kids, and we decided that before we married as a lifestyle and population control decision. If we really want to have another child at some point, we would consider adoption (I would consider relactating and everything.) Adoption would give you the opportunity to impart the same green values/lifestyle on more than two children without adding to the overall population.<br><br>
FWIW, there were other factors in our decision: our ages, our finances, we both came from large families and didn't feel the need to replicate the experience, etc.<br><br>
My second child will be two years old soon, so I am wondering how strong the urge to have a third will get. I think about babies every day, but currently don't have any strong urges to have one myself. One thing that helps I think is that I've been home with both kids full time, I feel like I've had the full experience and haven't missed anything. I'm excited about them getting older and doing more adventurous things with them!
 

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We're planning on 6, always have, we're on number 4 right now. We both come from big families and, quite the opposite of the pp, really loved it and want a big family ourselves. Ironically, he's only got 1 niece, 1 nephew, and I have 3 nephews, so our siblings obviously havent had a ton of kids. Anyway....<br><br>
So many people are opting for 1 or 2 kids or even NO kids, I dont see it as irrisponsible. If it werent for immigration, we would be at a negative population growth. On the same hand, we are also planning on adopting at some point-I'd be perfectly happy adopting now, but dh really wants 6 of his own kids, dont ask me why! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Of course, I've also been a surrogate, I'm doing at LEAST one more, who knows how long my uterus will hang in there-so we may end up with less and if thats the way it was meant for us, I'm ok with that.<br><br>
BTW-we also use eco-friendly products for our home and our bodies, we eat mostly organically, we recycle, we wear at least some organic clothing (we cant afford to get all organic clothes since I buy most of our clothing on clearance/major sales and I just cant find organic clothing at a comperable price), we use a small car and are working on bio-diesel or a veggie car soon, we have a garden and feed our bunnies from that garden. Our kids are learning to take care of the earth and love it, and thats more than a lot of parents can say <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I say have as many or as few children as you feel comfortable having. There are people out there who choose to have no children at all, so it all balances out somewhere.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I say have as many or as few children as you feel comfortable having. There are people out there who choose to have no children at all, so it all balances out somewhere.</div>
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Agreed.<br><br>
We had stopped at two. We were just comfortable with that amount and were done...for 8 1/2 years until our little surprise came along! So I guess we're now environmentally irresponsible? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
With the lifestyle we live, I think all that 'balancing' is tipping more in our favor than most people we know anyway.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I say have as many or as few children as you feel comfortable having. There are people out there who choose to have no children at all, so it all balances out somewhere.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">:<br><br>
I have 5 sisters & 1 brother, and 2 sisters for surely won't have kids, and I don't know if my brother is planning on any or not. I loved being part of a large family, and want my kids to have the same experience.
 

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ackk... go back and forth about this all the time.<br><br>
would love to have 3 kids- it seems like it would be a nice full family that way, but i worry about the expenses involved!
 

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I'm also undecided, at any given moment. Currently we have two boys, and while I would love to have a third, financially we really shouldn't. I've gotten rid of all of the baby stuff, DH says he's done, so....<br><br>
But I would be quite happy with a surprise! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> I know DH would too. So for now, we say two.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">ackk... go back and forth about this all the time.<br><br>
would love to have 3 kids- it seems like it would be a nice full family that way, but i worry about the expenses involved!</div>
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Yeah, same here. I always wanted three. But right now I only have one and I'm not getting any younger. I am trying to make a case to dh that a second or third won't cost much more than the first. Can you tell I really, really want to be pg right now?! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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Well, baby #3 is 6 months old and peacefully napping in my arms right now. LOL! I've always wanted a big family, no less than 4 kids, 6 is what I always envisioned. My dh would have been happy with 1. He's an only child and was never lonely and never wanted siblings. I have one sister and wanted many siblings. My sister doesn't like children so most likely will not have any unless she has a dramatic change of heart soon (she's over 30 now). Dh made me promise that if he agreed to 3 I would not beg him for #4. LOL! Financially another baby would be hard. Physically and emotionally another baby would be really really hard (I get hyperemesis for 9 months with each pg and need meds), so will most definitely won't try for any more. However I'm still open to more babies. I don't feel that we are being irresposible for having more than 2. Though right now as far as population goes, I guess we had our 2, plus one for my sis. LOL! So we're good. I don't think I would let that deter me from adding to our family if I felt there was another one waiting for us. Before I got pg this last time I had dreams about a little baby girl who told me she was waiting for us. So I do believe you have the kids you are supposed to have.
 

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This discussion comes up a lot at gatherings I attend whether those gatherings are political, religious, educational or environmental. Someone eventually starts the discussion about smaller families with "X" values competing with larger families with "Y" values. It's always an interesting discussion, and one where I can certainly see both sides.
 

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Oh yeah, I actually said this wrong...dh really would have as many kids as I let him...we'd end up with 20 if I went along with him. LOL 6 was our compromise! Hes a nut (and I love him for it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">)
 

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I love my (small) large family, and disagree that a large family means not eco-responsible. Most parents with just 1-2 kids use a LOT more disposable things - diapers, napkins, TP, etc. And they overbuy new clothes, toys, cars, etc.<br><br>
A lot of the large families I know cloth diaper, buy clothing/toys/furniture/etc. second hand, and <i>minimally</i>. They also pass those items down when they are done with them. A lot of this is due to financial considerations. They also have gardens/small farms to sustainably feed their families.<br><br>
We are hoping to someday have a very large family, and I believe we can do it ecologically responsibly. Then again, I know a lot of people who do not want that - I think it all balances out and God provides each person what they can handle.
 

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There was a study recently showing that one family of 8 used far less resources than two families of 4 people each.
 

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I haven't read this particular article that was linked, but I am well aware of the general arguments that are used regarding "too many kids is bad for the environment." I've seen the science its' all based on and I don't agree with the conclusions.<br><br>
My 3 children use far fewer resources than some other families I've seen with only 1 or 2 children. I need the minivan for carpooling with my preteen and teenager, and would need it even if I didnt' also have a 6yo. We buy a lot of our clothes secondhand. I'm careful about packaging when we buy anything new, and while we're not "perfect" we certainly use a lot less "stuff" and produce a lot less garbage than many other families.<br><br>
And if your'e talking about heating and cooling our home, I can assure you it's a lot smaller than some homes I've seen with fewer people living in them.
 

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We stopped at 2. Then we had three more.<br><br>
We try to live within a small footprint and are always improving. Ruthla said much of it well - sq ft per person, reusing diapers, clothing, etc.
 

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No, we will not have a third, and yes, ecological footprint is a huge part of why. We almost didn't have a second for this reason, actually.
 

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We will have a third, and if DH has his way, a fourth.<br><br>
We also have a signed statement from our best friends, deeding their "right to replace themselves" over to us. It's very tongue-in-cheek, but also semi-serious, since we know they won't be reproducing.<br><br>
I kind of worry that if we have four and DH doesn't feel "done" that he'll go hunting for another childfree couple for us to reproduce for so he can talk me into number five. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I am stopping at two kids, and we decided that before we married as a lifestyle and population control decision. If we really want to have another child at some point, we would consider adoption (I would consider relactating and everything.) Adoption would give you the opportunity to impart the same green values/lifestyle on more than two children without adding to the overall population.</div>
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We feel the sme way. I totally want three kids, but we only want two bios. I could have gone the adoption route from the beginning, to be honest, but DH wanted a couple bios and I wasn't 100% against it. But I can't square more than two bios with my personal environmental and world concerns, although I don't mind other people having larger families. I just have to go with my personal beliefs.
 
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