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Any advice out there for increasing my milk supply in order to avoid the need to supplement? I have to be away from 14 month old nursing dd for 4 days (training class for work) and can't seem to pump enough ahead of time to last the entire class.<br><br>
I'm trying desperately to avoid the need to supplement with non-breastmilk but my ability to pump enough is highly questionable. I am only away from her 2 mornings a week (with the exception of this training class) and am able to pump enough at work to meet her needs for those 2 mornings only.<br><br>
If I am unable to increase milk supply in order to pump enough ahead of time, what is the best alternative for supplementing? My ds had a reaction to cow's milk both times we introduced it (after 2 years of breastfeeding).<br><br>
What is the best alternative to breastmilk for a 14 month old nursing babe who eats minimal solid food (soft fresh fruit and veggies only)?<br><br>
Thanks for any support/ideas....
 

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Try this page. <a href="http://www.kellymom.com/bf/pumping/pumping_decrease.html" target="_blank">I'm not pumping enough milk. What can I do?</a><br><br>
Also, will you be able to pump once or twice a day during the class (e.g., lunch break)? If so, that will help, too. You could probably get enough during the first 3 days to cover day #4, even if you can only pump once a day. That means you'll only have to have enough stored up for the first 3 days.
 

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thanks so much for everyone's suggestions... My goal is to pump at 8am, at lunch, and again at 4pm when the class ends (although I'll be really eager to get on the road and get home to my dd).... so, if I'm able to pump 2-3 times during the day, I am hopeful that I'll be able to come up with enough to sustain her.<br><br>
We aren't eager to try water in a bottle because she still has mild reflux and water seems to make her spit up more often.<br><br>
I don't think I'll be able to pump enough for 3 days because I would need at least 4 - 4oz bottles and since she is nursing so frequently right now (teething and separation anxiety), I haven't had enough opportunity to pump.<br><br>
Wish me luck! I just think I need some kind of back up for her bottle if I can't get enough pumped before the class starts... maybe I don't need a breastmilk alternative, perhaps I could just increase her intake of solid food (soft fruits, veggies).....<br><br>
thanks again!
 

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What kind of pump are you using? It might be worth it to you to rent a hospital grade pump during that time.<br><br>
Also, another way to increase the amount you're pumping, if that's part of the problem, is to pump while your dd nurses. I always had better luck pumping when my DS was nursing on one side.<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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sparkeze,<br>
thanks for your suggestions. I've actually never tried pumping on one side while nursing on the other. It seems a bit complicated but I'll try it. I have a Medela pump-in-style professional double electric pump. My main problem with pumping is getting enough opportunity to pump when dd hasn't recently nursed... thus, I'm only getting 1/2-1 oz at a time when pumping... definitely not enough to stock up the freezer prior to the start of my class.<br><br>
have any other mamas out there had to supplement with a non-breastmilk alternative?
 

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Mothernurture........have you ever heard of "Karen Jensen"?? She's a Master Herbalist, midwife, EMT & EMT trainer....she's written a number of books. The latest one I've read is Naturally Yours: Journey of an Herbal Mom. In there.....she tells of people coming to her with this question. One example in particular.....a grandmother came to her with her baby grandson. Her daughter was in the hospital for a couple weeks and the lady did not want to give formula to the baby. This is odd....but apparently, it works fabulously.....you can give a baby RAW, organic carrots, juiced fresh and mixed half n' half with water. Another suggestion she had was to give raw goat's milk with a teaspoon (?) of blackstrap molasses mixed in.<br><br>
One suggestion that came to mind.......long ago, we used to think nothing of using a wet nurse. Do you have a nursing mama friend that would provide a little extra milk to beef up your stash for dd?? How about contacting the LLL (if you're not already involved in that).....they could probably also offer some good info and maybe a contact to get some donated milk. I don't know how others feel......but if a nursing mom would ask me if I would donate some milk....I'd be happy to oblige.<br><br>
Will your dd be adversely affected with a little formula for a couple days; probably not......but I totally understand your hesitancy towards going that route.<br><br>
Lisa
 

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mrsinchworm,<br>
thanks so much for your post. i had not even thought about juicing fresh, organic fruits as an option.... and thanks for the book recommendation. I've heard goat's milk is perhaps a better alternative (to cow's milk) as it more closely resembles breastmilk than cow's milk does.<br><br>
so interesting your idea about a wet nurse. I had a kidney stone 5 months post partum with my ds (back in 2000) and even had a nursing mama friend offer to give me some of her pumped breastmilk since I had to pump and dump mine (due to pain meds in the ER)... as it turned out, we had enough stored in the freezer to survive until I could nurse again. I do have a nursing mama friend locally where we live now... don't know how she'd feel about pumping some milk for me or whether or not I'd want to if she was willing.... ? I'll have to think on that one...<br><br>
if i must resort to formula, I'm debating skipping formula altogether and going with either soy or rice milk... anyone have any suggestions on that?
 

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I just have a second, but I wanted to let you know that this product exists, <a href="http://organicformula.com/shop/default.asp" target="_blank">organic toddler formula</a> I do not know much about it and would suggest looking into it further but it may be a better option than regular formula or plain rice/soy milk.
 

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p.s. thanks again for the link. lots of good info on that site. Do you happen to know if it is available at any store chains or only over the internet? I don't think I have time to wait for shipping....
 

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I often see it at my local Whole Foods and Trader Joes. The manufacturer may be able to tell you where it is distributed in your area too.
 

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Do you think you could pump more frequently during your class? If your child is used to nursing frequently you should try to mimic that as much as possible when you are away. Even if this means the bathroom during your class. Though I would definitely try to find a better place (probably depends on where its held.)! Surely there will be a mid-morning and mid-afternoon coffee break?<br><br>
If you really don't think you'll have enough to cover the days, then you might want to experiment with your intended alternative now rather than have a really flustered caregiver who's desparately trying to figure out how to feed your child. Since you are well past the traditional "baby" stage, it seems that juice or water might be the right answer for you. I know my first child (who stopped nursing early, which is a story I don't want to go into here) drank more water and juice than milk at that age. For such a short amount of time, you can probably concentrate on finding something that he likes and you are comfortable with, rather than worry about nutrition.
 

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Grian, thanks for the tip. I checked with Trader Joe's and they don't carry any formula at all. I will have to pursue Whole Foods which, unfortunately, isn't very close to where we live. I was hoping the manufacturer's website would offer info on where to get it locally but no luck. I tried to email them with a question and their "contact us" link isn't working. Thanks!<br><br>
Evan& Anna's mom: unfortunately, I won't be able to pump more than 3 times a day due to the location of the class (in a very non-family friendly environment -- a local FBI field office)... I will have to walk back (10 minute walk) to my office (inside the federal bldg) where there is a health unit that has lactation facilities (thank God!) for nursing mothers. Good advice about trying the alternative prior to my caregiver giving her the bottle. Thanks!
 

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<a href="http://www.organicbebe.com/formula.asp" target="_blank">You can order organic formula online here if you need to.</a> They have a soy formula if you think she'd be able to tolerate that.<br><br>
I dunno about the juicing carrots thing. I mean, carrots have fiber, carbs, lots of antioxidants....but they don't have fat and protein like mama's milk and milk substitutes do. And the carbs are pretty much straight sugar once you juice them and take the fiber out. I would feed formula over juiced carrots for nutrition any day, or choose more nutritious and varied solid foods that you know she will eat.<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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Jane,<br>
thanks for the link! I appreciate it. I found out the Whole Foods about 30 minutes from my home carries the organic baby formula so I'll pick it up there.
 

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Have you ever tried herbs to increase your supply? I've used fenugreek before, and it really works!!! I just bought the whole seeds and ground them in the coffee grinder, and put some in large vegicaps. I take about 4/3 times per day, or more if you feel good with it. Look fenugreek up if your cautious about herbs, but I personally think they are fine if you are just taking them for a short amount of time to beef up your milk supply. An added bonus is that your sweat will smell like maple syrup, and your breasts will get bigger!!! No kidding. I've also heard of Mother's Milk Tea.... It's not sold in Canada, where I live but, it's probably sold in the states. And one more note to add, almost all the liver stimulating herbs help increase your milk supply.... dandelion, burdock, yellowdock, blessed thistle, alfalfa, and so on and so on.<br><br>
I <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> my herbal allies!!!!!!
 

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thanks for your suggestions on herbal support for milk supply. I tried fenugreek after my son was born 4 years ago and can't remember if I noticed an appreciable difference. But I decided to try it again. I have a bottle of fenugreek by Solaray. I have been taking 2 (3 times a day). Perhaps I should increase intake if I don't notice a difference?<br><br>
I'm not a tea drinker so I don't think Mother's milk tea will work for me (although I have recommended it to my post partum doula clients, by testimonial from other nursing mamas)... plus I don't have time to make tea throughout the day as I'm working full time (although from home most of the time!).<br><br>
Do the liver stimulating herbs come commercially in capsule format? If so, can you recommend any herbal manufacturers in particular?<br><br>
thanks again for the suggestions! I really appreciate it. And if I end up having to supplement with organic, soy baby formula for a few days next week, I need to remember what I have been able to accomplish despite having to work full time... I've nursed and pumped for 14 months (since dd's birth) in a concerted effort to give her the best possible start in life (with breastmilk as her sole mean's of nutrition until recently when we started soft fresh fruits).<br><br>
thanks to you and everyone who offered suggestions to me on this thread as I continue my commitment of extended breastfeeding under sometimes challenging circumstances (working professionally). You mamas are awesome!!!
 

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I have taken fenugreek, blessed thistle, nettles, and alfalfa by Nature's Way. Fenugreek, nettles and alfalfa I was able to find at my Whole Foods but blessed thistle I had to mail order. <a href="http://www.breastfeed-essentials.com/herbs.html" target="_blank">Here's</a> where I ordered it from.<br><br>
You can definitely bump up your fenugreek to 3 capsules 3 times a day; you know you're taking the right dose when you smell like curry or maple syrup.<br><br>
Mother's Milk Tea makes a good iced tea if you like iced; you can make a big batch and refrigerate it.<br><br><a href="http://www.motherlove.com/prd_tinctures.html" target="_blank">Motherlove tinctures</a> are also great, particularly if you get tired of swallowing huge handfuls of capsules. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:<br><br>
You're doing a great job, mama!
 

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Jane, thank you for the very helpful links and the moral support! I truly appreciate it. I don't have a family support structure for nursing much less extended nursing (my mother formula fed, my sister in law nursed for a very short period of time, and my grandmother told my first born --when he was 18 months -- to "get rid of that old thing" in reference to my breast when she saw him nursing at this "old age" of a year and a half!... no wonder my mother didn't nurse her babies....).<br><br>
I'll bump up the fenugreek and check out the links for additional herbal supplements.
 
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