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GAHHH...sometimes I just gotta wonder WTH I did to deserve some of this karmic CRAP I keep being dealt. We live in a ONE bedroom place (355 s.f.). It's my 3 kids and my BF. Thats FIVE people! It's small, it's cramped and so far we've made it work but I'm going nutso now and to top it off BF's kids are going to be here for the summer. Obviously there's no way that will work, I'm barely hanging on right now. I love this place. It's unique and has lots of space to roam. We looked at a WONDERFUL place last week. It's perfect for us. 3 bd, 1 "office" space that we'll turn into a bedroom, FENCED all around, 3 storage sheds (we have no storage right now), a DISHWASHER, a place for a DRYER (of which we have neither right now) and I could go on and on and on. Point is that it's OUR place. We love it. Its at the top of our price range but we'd make it work for such a perfect fit.<br><br>
we filled out the app and turned it in and it took them several days to make a decision and i had to keep calling them about it. I called and the guy said "we are looking for a stronger tenant". Well i had to ask him to clarify that cause we have just enough income to meet the 1/3 "rule", we have 5 kids (that i listed on the app) and BF has crappy credit and some criminal background (all 6 yrs+ older and all misdemeanors) and he said that "well your husband was convicted of a felony right?" um NO. I told him that I would be stopping by the office to get a copy of exactly what they pulled up on our credit and background check and he says "well I didn't print it out...i just looked it up on the public record" (we can look up public criminal record and traffic stuff online here and i know about this and i have looked). I then mentioned that "i'm assuming correctly i think when I think that we have a right to put in our side of the information based on these reports right?" he did say that BF was welcome to call and explain whatever he wanted.<br><br>
There are a couple of things that really irk me and seem illegal to me.<br>
1.) I listed all 5 kids on there and although they didn't say anything about kids they said "stronger tenants" which could translate into "i don't want my house destroyed by this huge family with lots of kids" very easily to me.<br>
2.) considering they had JUST made a decision after looking at the criminal background and then didnt even KNOW that he was NOT convicted of a felony tells me that I'm not even sure if they looked at all the information on the website! (it lists everything even if the charges were dropped AND includes traffic violations but you have to click on each case number to find this out)<br>
3.) It says plainly on the website that the records are for public use and NOT to be considered accurate until you go to the courthouse to confirm. Considering this is a RENTAL application I would think that this type of search, although not illegal, could raise questions about how responsibly they're doing business in the first place.<br><br>
We plan to visit their office on monday and get some more information and maybe explain a little better how to interpret the information since they've done a crappy job at it so far.<br><br>
Anyways. I'm not really sure what to ask. If there's any lawyers who can tell me some key questions to ask i'd love that. I know that criminal history is NOT part of the FHA however I am researching on familial discrimination because I do honestly believe that they are more likely turning us down for that and not having actually researched his criminal history and are giving a blanket "no" cause they don't want to deal with it.
 

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I am sorry you are having to deal with this. I can totally see how a LL would want to know criminal history as well as credit history before renting to any one. It sucks, but that is the way things go. If I were a LL, I think I would do the same.<br><br>
Now, as for family size, well that is a bit trickier. We have been denied MANY times due to that. And honestly there is little that can be done.<br><br>
First off, you have applied for a 3BR house. You listed 5 children and two adults. Most places will not rent if there are going to be more than 2 people per room. So, that would mean you would need a a 4BR house. In many places it is written in the fire codes that way. And even though you would convert the office space into a room, they may not consider that acceptable under those rules.<br><br>
Perhaps if you explain that not all the children will be full time, but only for the summer. That might change their calculations.<br><br>
I hope you get this worked out.
 

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I'm guessing it was based on the number of people - most places won't allow more than 2 people per bedroom, and if the office doesn't qualify as another bedroom, you have 7 people in a 3 bedroom - which won't fly for most landlords/management companies.<br><br>
People with criminal histories, even true felons, are able to find a place to rent - but that doesn't mean they can't discriminate, especially if they have better qualifying applicants for the same place, yk? Would you pick someone with a record over a couple who has never been in trouble?<br><br>
But really, I'm betting it is the kid thing. I wouldn't list your boyfriend's kids if they will just be visiting for summers. They won't actually be residing in the house, so I believe you don't have to include them in the application/lease.<br><br>
We have been denied by a company for bad credit (and actually, I do have a record but I don't know that it had to do with it as we have rented almost a dozen places since then) who said they wouldn't touch us even though we met the income and had a deposit - yet we went on the next week to find an even better place... so just know that even if you are denied by one place, you can still find another that will approve you.<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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I can see why it is disappointing to find the perfect place only to be turned down.<br><br>
However, from a LL perspective you have a applicant with a record (regardless if they are several misdemeanors Im assuming not just 1) and bad credit. Thats two big strikes, yes it may be old things on his record but without knowing what they are (not that you have to disclose here) that along with the bad credit is huge flags along with the "bigger" family. Plus depending on rental and fire codes in many of the jurisdictions we have lived in that would automatically disallow a 3 bd room rental.<br><br>
Imo, I dont think its based on the family size alone.
 

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I think it is the combination of all 3. I would not put your step-kids down when applying either. Technically they are "visitors" since their primary residence is with mom.
 

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Another landlord's perspective, I would care more about the size of the family and the bad credit, too.
 

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