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I've been summoned for jury duty and my request for deferrment [based on the fact that I am full time care provider for our 11 month old- who I am nursing (we practice child-led weaning) and also our 4 year old] has been denied. I must appear in court tomorrow (Friday 3rd Oct.) for jury selection.

I am a full-time stay at home mom. (working outside the home two mornings, in each 5 week period, for a scant 6 hours total- broken up into two mornings, which means I am away from my nursling a total of 3 three hours at each stretch.) This jury duty assignment would have me a one hour distance from home for a period of greater than appx. 10 hours.

I am feeling so much anxiety about this, disappointment and anger in our social/judicial system. I am wondering if there are others who have been in similar situations and if you have been able to have your jury duty postponed until a time when you were no longer nursing.

Any advice would be appreciated.
 

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i got summoned for jury duty when dd was 9-10 months old. i was able to get out of it by writing a letter explaining the hardships of being away from my nursling for an extended period. i was advised by others to focus on the hardships to me as opposed to dd, such as painful,engorged breasts. i'm not sure what you can do at this point....gosh i'm not very helpful, huh? i sure hope you're able to get out of it!
 

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I'm in Mass. I was able to get jury duty postponed twice when my kids were little. I think it only make sense. Since you have to go, bring a pump. Tell the person on charge at the desk when you are going to pump. I hope they are good and embarrassed. If you do get called for a case, let the lawyers know you are a nursing mother. they will not want you. Good luck!!! I would've hated to be apart from my nursing toddler all day like that!!!
 

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I am in Philadelphia.....once when I was pregnant (eventually miscarried) I requested a postponement. I was told that I would be on automatic three year deferrment because of pregnancy/birth. What about showing up with your baby? You would not be breaking the law, and it would force them to deal with the issue. Maybe someone could accompany you to help with your kids. They will probably immediately scramble to send you home, anyway. Good Luck.
 

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Bring a pump and a letter from a sympathetic medical provider that you MUST be allowed to pump every X number of hours to avoid a breast infection/mastitis. They should send you home quickly. Neither side of a case will want to choose you.

Perhaps you could look up Hand Expression techniques in case of an emergency.

If they won't let you bring the pump in the building, leave it in your car and make sure you have a letter from a doctor!!!!!!

Maybe a babysitter could keep your child nearby????

Sorry!
Good luck!
 

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Bring the kids along to Jury selection and be sure to nurse while you are there.

If that doesn't work, I'd talk to a lawyer.
 

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Gee, that's awful. I wonder why they denied your request?

You don't have much time to do anything about Friday so I agree with the other posters - I'd turn up with your baby and a pump. Maybe say you tried to get a sitter but it fell through (hey, it happens), you're 'terribly sorry' then proceed to nurse him there.
If your baby can't be there, explain that you'll have to pump every 2 hours cause you've been getting plugged ducts and mastitis.... bring literature from LLL with you, be really graphic - hopefully they'll be glad to get rid of you
I agree with Jessviola - focus on the hardships for you. I wouldn't trust these people understanding an 11mo nursing.

If that fails, I'm sure there's lots of ways to NOT be selected for the jury by how you answer their questions, kwim?
 

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Bring the kids along to Jury selection and be sure to nurse while you are there.
Do NOT do that! Judges have threatened to hold women in contempt of court for bringing their kids to jury selection. Additionally, I know of one case where the judge told the woman to take the kids to a center across the street and report back immediately.

sacredplay, can you tell us what state you are in? Jury Duty standards vary by state.

Edited to add this link. http://www.lalecheleague.org/Law/summary.html
 

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I live in Northern New Hampshire.

I want to thank all of you that have replied and given your support. I did call the clerk on Monday to see what it meant that my request for deferrment had been denied and asked specifically if that meant I would be able to bring my little one and nurse him there. I was told NO CHILDREN ALLOWED IN THE COURT ROOM. They said I would be given time to express milk. (I have not expressed an ounce of milk for him since he's been born. I'm just not a woman that feels comfortable leaving my babes. RIght or wrong, that's how I feel and it is very hard for me to understand how a woman who has the inclination to be with her baby's should be denied this right and responsibility.)

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I wouldn't trust these people understanding an 11mo nursing.
wombat, your statement here was helpful. You know I just forget that people don't see caring for a child in the same light as I do.

I've been feeling stretched to my limits in these last few months, and just doing the best I can to tend to my ds's, this demand is just finding me at a point in time where I do not have a lot of reserves. And I feel so lacking at this point in time to put forth the emotional energy to fight for my right to care for my children in the best way I see how. Forgive me for rambling. I know you mamma's understand how our brains and feelings can get sometimes. I just feel on the verge of tears. Prayers are appreciated, and today I will just turn it over to the Beloved, and trust that I will be guided to do what is mine to do.

Thanks so much again to everyone.
Patricia
 

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I am an attorney and, as a matter of fact, just went through the jury selection process on Monday (as a lawyer, not a juror), so this issue is fresh in my mind.


According to some information I found on the internet, as of 1998, NH offers exemptions from service for undue hardship, extreme inconvenience, public necessity, and physical/mental disability.

I am in Texas, so I do not know what the jury selection procedure is in your state (it can also vary from county to county). It is likely that after all the potential jurors assemble, the judge will at some point give people an opportunity to come forward and seek am exemption. At that time, you would most likely approach the bench (along with counsel for both sides in the case), and "plead your case."

I'll be honest with you -- unless the judge is a *total* jerk, I cannot imagine that you will not be granted an exemption. If I were you, I would explain that you have a nursing baby who does not (or will not, if that is true) take a bottle, that you do not have childcare for your baby or other child, and that it will put an extreme hardship on you and your family to be away from your child.

If, however, the judge does not grant you an exemption...certain, ahem, "opinions" can pretty much ensure that you will not be selected for a jury. As an officer of the court, I would never advise someone to disingenuously avoid her civic duty as a juror, but I think you are wise enough that if you need to, you will figure out the type of, ahem, "opinions" I am referring to and answer questions accordingly during jury selection.

Good luck. I know this is frustrating.
 

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sacredplay, I'm so sorry you're in this position. I can't believe they're pushing it - time to express milk! how nice of them, NOT!

Really with the low rates of BF in the USA, you'd think they could leave nursing mothers alone. Courts are making laws to ensure mothers can NIP and the jury selectors are trying to disrupt BF relationships? Makes absolutely no sense.

Have you got time to get to a doctor re those plugged ducts and mastitis concerns? Got a sympathetic doctor?

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Forgive me for rambling. I know you mamma's understand how our brains and feelings can get sometimes. I just feel on the verge of tears
That might help you on Friday. I'm sure they wouldn't want a distraught, emotionally unstable, lactating, hormonal woman on their jury. What are they going to do, hold you in contempt for bursting into tears?
 

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I meant to add that when we were listening to jurors' arguments for exemptions on Monday, I kept hoping that a nursing mama would show up so I could encourage the judge to let her go.


As for tears, they might be helpful if you have a nice judge, but if the judge is a jerk, I'm not so sure. If you get past the judge and to the point where the lawyers are questioning you, though, tears would probably be helpful. We let a woman go by agreement on Monday who was single and thus the sole wage earner in her household. The judge could not grant her an exemption, because financial hardship is not a basis for one in Texas. After he denied her request, she went back to her seat and sat there crying for the next hour. After we got through with the exemptions, we (all the lawyers on both sides) went up to the judge and told him we would agree to dismiss her because she was clearly too distraught to continue. So, tears might be good.

Maybe you'll get really lucky and the judge or one of the attorneys will be a nursing mama and recognize your plight.
 

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I was able to postpone my jury duty for two years total because I was breastfeeding, but I live in MA. The first time, I had to postpone it for a year from the date of summons by calling the juror line, and the second time I had to get a note from dd's doctor stating that she was nursing and had food allergies and I could not pump sufficient milk to feed her while away. It worked. I was then called again, and willingly served because dd was old enough, and I would want decent jurors on my case if I was ever wrongfully accused of a crime. Could you get an emergency note from a doctor stating that you need a postponement? Also, I would not mention the age of the baby. None of their business (they are not medical professionals) and nursing is nursing and it's all beneficial! If all else fails, call your local La Leche League - they can probably be very helpful and might be able to tell you what other moms in your situation have done. And, I found in my situation that polite, calm, reasoned behavior was my best asset. Ask to speak to a supervisor, to their supervisor, etc., until you get the help you need. Best of luck.
 

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I swear, I reread your original post like FOUR TIMES after I hit reply, because I thought you said you were in NH, and I couldn't find it anywhere. I finally decided I was halucinating, and added the question about where you live to my post. THE ANSWER WAS IN THE SUBJECT LINE!!! EEK!


Anyway, it looks like you've gotten some good information already. GOOD LUCK!!!
 

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I would explain that you have a nursing baby who does not (or will not, if that is true) take a bottle, that you do not have childcare for your baby or other child, and that it will put an extreme hardship on you and your family to be away from your child.
morgan's mom I have made notes on your suggestions and truly appreciate the time that the rest have taken to share their stories and suggestions.

I am just going to go tomorrow with best attitude and faith that I can. Bring my notes, a copy of the current law in NH (which seems to address only BF'ing in public) and as much integrity, strength and courage that I can muster to speak for myself, my family and my children.

You know the funny part of the whole thing is that the whole idea of serving on jury duty really excites me and I would am pleased at the prospect of actually someday getting to serve. This just is not the time in my life when it makes any sense.

In regards to bringing a pump I do not even own a pump. I had one once with my first ds, but didn't like it at all, and am fortunate that I didn't need to express milk but a couple of times, which I did into a sink or a towel on the rare occasions when I had to be away for more hours than my breasts could hold.

I'm anxious about how I will be able to comfortably express milk there in the court house with privacy, and also most fearful about actually getting called to serve and having our nursing relationship destroyed. Makes me so sad
and for no seeming reason than that some (more than likely 'male') court head is deeming that his legal responsibility's outweigh my right to nurture and care for my babies.

Ok, like a little soldier on the march I'll do what I can and trust that all will be well.

I'll let you's know how it all turns out.

Peace,
Patricia
 

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I was told NO CHILDREN ALLOWED IN THE COURT ROOM.
But doesn't the NH breastfeeding state that mothers have a right to breastfeed anywhere the mother is reasonably requred/permitted to be?

If you cannot get out of it tomorrow, go to the media. This is EXACTLY the kind of human interest story that will get some press.

Live free or die, huh? But you can't be free to nurse and care for your kids...
 

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You know the funny part of the whole thing is that the whole idea of serving on jury duty really excites me and I would am pleased at the prospect of actually someday getting to serve. This just is not the time in my life when it makes any sense.
I am so glad to hear you say this! I know it's too late because you're there now, but if you go in with this attitude, you are much more likely to get sent home. There are so many people who have such a bad attitude about doing their civic duty; the judge and lawyers see them all the time. If you have a good excuse *and* a good attitude about jury service, I think your chances are great!

Good luck, and I hope to see you posting soon that you are home with your babe!

Rats - One thing I also wish I had thought to tell you is to bring a copy of the AAP recommendations on nursing at least a year. (Not that any of us think the AAP is the end all, be all, but YKWIM!)

Anyway, good luck!
 

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Okay, keeping in mind that my education of the Jury Selection process comes from watching over 100 episodes of Law and Order....

Don't the lawyers on both sides ask you questions regarding your personal beliefs and potential prejudices against the client? Maybe you could say that you believe marijuana should be legalized. Or maybe that you work for a "poor white teenagers who are forced to knock over old ladies due to a lack of stable home environment" charity group?

I dunno. Just make yourself a totally undesirable candidate. I suppose that's a last resort.

PS - I hope my attempt at some humour doesn't offend you: I would be distraught as all h*ll at the thought of being forcibly separated from my baby that way
 

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An update for every one. This was definitely one of the hardest days in my life. Enclosed here is the letter that I wrote to the LLL leader in my area who has been very helpful, supportive and encouraging, just as you all have been.

Piglet68, no worry, I appreciate your humor. I just wish you ladies could have been flies on the wall to see for yourself the complete pompous, insensitivity of the judge. Your 'honorable' so and so is the last TITLE that he deserves, in my humble opinion.

Morgans_mom, he didn't give a sh&* that I was eager to be a juror at a more appropriate time. His ego/power trip certainly got the better of him today. I even questioned him about the legislation and he TOTALLY DISMISSED IT (he was RIPPED) that i would have even questioned him and immediately threw in my face that I had a civic duty to serveand blah blah...that is when I said i completely understood and could appreciate that and even looked forward to the opportunity to serve.

Gurumama, your comments strike very close to home.

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But doesn't the NH breastfeeding state that mothers have a right to breastfeed anywhere the mother is reasonably requred/permitted to be?
and that was what I was referring to when I questioned the judge. He stated that no such legislation even exists. Of course I know that it does, but without counsel am not sure specifically how the legislation applies in this circumstance. Maybe morgans_mom, you could help me here. Who might I go to to learn about how this piece of legislation applies and what would be the best way of proceeding at this point if my rights have been violated?

Here is the letter:

Dear E.,
I am so grateful to come home to your letter today. Court was AN ORDEAL! to put it mildly. The judge did not find my request adequate enough to warrant my deferrement. It is absolutely mind boggling to me. YET, a very concrete (and extremely sad) reminder of what our society has deteriorated to. My number was picked for FOUR of the six jury's being selected. I ended up being excused from two of them due to conflict (sexual abuse in my own background, which was another whole issue in itself outside of my nursing/childcare request. The judge made me feel like I was on trial because I had not selected the box that asked if had had a crime committed against me. Quite frankly the thought just did not cross my mind when I was completing that portion of the survey.)

Anyway, I was chosen to serve on one jury, which I admitted to the judge that I did not believe I could remain objective for which I was being completely honest and not just saying it), and he dismissed my reasons again as inadequate and required me to sit in the jurror box and consequently ended up being chosen. (Then he openly stated to me that he felt I would make an excellent juror, well, you know I totally agreed with him but at a point in time in which it is appropriate for me to serve.) I was pretty much a "mess" all day. Literally had diarrhea the whole day and so many strong feelings about how little regard I was given today as a mother and human being doing what I see as the best I can and know how for my baby.

"it is physiologically and emotionally normal for you and your 10 month old to be intertwined and you should not be expected to spend a full day apart"

Thank you so much for that validation. I have an extremely keen sense of intuition and "inner knowing" of right and wrong, and this whole experience today had me questioning myself and whether I even have the right to be feeling the "need" so strongly to be with my little one.

"It is going to be very difficult to tell a bunch of professional people, many of whom have undoubtedly felt they had to put their own children in day care from infancy onwards, that our society's habitual separation of parents and children may not be appropriate and should not be forced on those who have chosen to stay together."

Yes, again, you were absolutely and totally right on in this statement. Such an eye opener for me. I realize I have been able to live such a beautiful ideal of mother/child relationship with my two. (Thanks to the Divine and my like-minded husband, who sees eye to eye with me on how we practice AP. Certainly not the case for the vast majority in our society, and even more than that, is that most people just accept what is the "norm" as that's the way "IT SHOULD BE". A degenerative state of affairs to say the least. And certainly evidenced by the moral, social, emotional, health, relational,marital, and even educational realms in our society. Our society has such potential and at the same time we live in so many ways like we are in the stone age.

"Postpartum depression is often worsened by lack of firm societal support for the profound task of child-rearing, and this situation certainly isn't helping!"

Again, you have GOT THAT RIGHT> I am such the type that I feel I just must persist and do the best I can and I also think honestly that I have felt so overwhelmed much of the time that I haven't had the reserves to even find a way to really reach out. There is also the embarrasment of feeling like I just have to take better care of myself, eat right, get more exercise, discipline myself, yadda yadda yadda. (finding the extra umph/ inner reserves for these things has been out of my reach for these last months....you know the mental talk that sometimes can keep us prisoner of our own self-imposed demons. So, NO I have not sought out any specific assistance for the postpartum. I did go and see someone after Vajl was born (my first), I saw her for several sessions and it did help at that point in time. Just the talking and having someone to validate what I was going through at the time. I am interested in learning more about Kathleen Kendall-Tackett and her work. Going through this whole jury process has helped me to see how overloaded I really am. It has honestly felt like more than I could process and as evidenced today by my bodies "overwhelmed release" (via my lower plumbing) I saw first hand how exactly distressed my body is.

I will subscribe to the publication you mention, New Beginnings. Is it a print magazine or ezine? I am open to seeing someone, but do not know of anyone in the area who would be a good fit. I will begin to contemplate this and start praying and asking for guidance.

In regards to a note from our doc. I happened to see her on my way home from the court house (the timing of it was COMPLETELY SYNCHRONISTIC. Very weird. I told her what was going on and she is willing to write a note. (She said that in the past she has had good results just stating that it is not medically advisable for her patient to be seperated from her baby for such an extended period of time). I would like to be able to take the appropriate actions though to help ensure that other nursing moms, or even those who are not nursing but still feel the need/desire to not be seperated from their babies/toddlers...are allowed that RIGHT (in my mind it seems an inalienable right, what is more basic that this???????)

For now, Thank you again, and I look forward to hearing from you.
Patricia
 

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jenkf, your advice

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I found in my situation that polite, calm, reasoned behavior was my best asset.
I think was very good, and I attempted this, but I am afraid that my emotional feelings (there were no tears or outbursts, but I was certainly feeling emotional) spoke louder than my words.

and your last advice:

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is what I will do starting on Monday.

I'll post more so that hopefully some others might be saved from a similar situation.
 
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