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I finally reached a breaking point with all this new information and I needed help to sort it all. My ND is AWESOME <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">: and it's like therapy to me to be able to vent all my allergy/adrenal/thyroid/ppd frustrations to someone who 'gets it'. Anyway, I called up my ND today and they squeezed me in and I want to share the info she gave me.<br><br>
No biochem stuff, just "what to take". Just FYI, I'm ebf a 4 month old and this is what she told me is safe for preg./nursing moms. *I* am personally comfortable with all of this, that said, you decide for yourself. I'm just sharing what she told me. I put *'s to indicate a disclaimer at the end of the post.<br><br>
*She is big on Breath Work, Dry Skin Brushing, and Exercise (10-60min/day) and recommends this to everyone<br><br>
1. One glass of room temp. water with 1tsp organic lemon juice or fresh lemon in the morning*<br>
2. Vitamin D 3000IU (until mid-April-ish) and 400IU for babe**<br>
3. Licorice Root Tea 1 cup<br>
4. Brazil Nuts for selenium- only 2/day<br>
5. Multi B Plex - 1 cap/day (includes folic acid, biotin)***<br>
6. Supervised use of Milk Thistle tea 1-2 cups/day (2 is better)<br>
7. Nettles Tea 1 cup/day<br>
8. Vitamin C 3-4000mg/day<br>
9. One or more portions of the brassica family vegetables daily - watercress broccoli, broccoli, sprouts, cauliflower, cabbage, brussel sprouts, kale, arugula, kohlrabi, radish, daikon, bok choy. Her side note: <i>Add iodine/seaweed for thyroid support since brassica family can reduce iodine uptake</i>****<br>
10. Kelp 1-2 tablets/capsules (for me, thyroid probs)<br>
11. If tolerated, have whey protein daily and other sulphur rich foods like cabbage, garlic, onions, asafoetida, beans and eggs.<br>
12. Include glutathione-containing asparagus, avocadoes, and walnuts<br>
13. Include high anti-oxidant foods like berries, grapes, beets, cooked tomatoes, pomegranate and organic green tea<br>
14. Include liberal amounts of tumeric, cilantro, and walnuts in cooking<br>
15. Fresh cilantro and parsley because they bind to metals and also detoxify<br>
16. LOTS of water, aim to pee clear. (this also is for the kidneys)<br>
17. Epsom salt baths for mom and child (including nursing babes)<br>
18. Bone broths<br>
19. Fermented veggies *at least* every day, every meal is even better<br><br>
For Detoxification of Intestines:<br>
1. One or more bowel movements daily is important, because constipation means that toxins get reabsorbed instead of efficiently eliminated<br>
2. For fiber, take 2 tbsp ground flaxseeds daily followed by a large glass of water<br>
3. for sluggish bowels, use exercise, good quality fish oil, 1/2 cup prune juice and/or magnesium (supervised use of mag. in pregnancy)<br>
4. Lemonbalm, chamomile, peppermint and fennel tea soothe the intestines<br>
5. Probiotics. If there is a family history of allergies, take in the last month of pregnancy and first 6 months of baby's life to help prevent allergies)<br><br>
Kidneys:<br>
1. Lots of water (filtered)<br>
2. Unsweetened cranberry juice, celery, parsley and watermelon are safe diuretics<br><br>
Lungs:<br>
1. Deep breathing and exercise<br>
2. yoga<br><br>
Skin/Lymph:<br>
1. Dry skin brushing towards the heart with a brush or rough washcloth<br><br>
AVOID:<br>
1. Saunas, detox baths and hot yoga mobilize toxins from the fat tissue so are only safe to do when NOT preg/breastfeeding<br>
2. Stronger cleanses such as fasting, liver-gallbladder cleanses and the like should NOT be done while pregnant/bf'ing<br>
3. Laxative herbs such as senna and cascara should be AVOIDED!<br><br>
Disclaimers:<br>
*She said if I'm worried I could do this just once a week, but that it was ok to do less than 1 glass daily if I wanted to<br>
**I fully cover, live in a colder climate and am darker than 'fair' <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
***I'm 4 months postpartum, *severe* hairloss, fatigue, PPD creeping in, stress, ADD-ishness, major irritability, but this is also for detox etc etc<br>
****I was confused about this because I'd been avoiding them because of my thyroid, but read on the detox threads that they were good...She said it's a common misconception and that you would need to eat an entire bushel of these veggies for it to have a detrimental effect on the thyroid, but eating a portion daily is not a problem
 

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I *love* this thread!!! (And, I rather like the title too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/joy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="joy"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Thank you so much for posting all that information. I think I'm going to print it out and add it to our list inside our cupboard with our supplement schedule. Thank you thank you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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I was totally thinking of you with the title <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br>
I was like she's my detox-confusion soulmate <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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this is awesome, thank you! i didnt know that about the brassica family and i eat butt-loads of broc and cauli. maybe ill chill out a little<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Eat">:<br><br>
i have read about the dry brushing in the past ( and totally forgot about it). what does it do?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I was totally thinking of you with the title <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br>
I was like she's my detox-confusion soulmate <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"></div>
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Aww <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/coolshine.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="sunshine"> Yea, on these threads, I finally feel like I'm not alone in my utter confusion over trying to heal and detox. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">this is awesome, thank you! i didnt know that about the brassica family and i eat butt-loads of broc and cauli. maybe ill chill out a little<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Eat">:<br><br>
i have read about the dry brushing in the past ( and totally forgot about it). what does it do?</div>
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I too LOVE the brassica family. Interestingly enough, I bought some kelp the other day at the HFS. I also have Iodoral, but I need to check with my ND about how much she wants me to try considering we haven't actually tested my thyroid, though I have all the symptoms.
 

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Thanks for typing all of that out. It looks great. Caution, do not do a bunch of cilantro if you have a bunch of mercury fillings in your teeth. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> I caused myself serious detox headaches and brain fog for days. It was horrible. (It was in conjunction with large amounts of kombucha and the die-off was seriously miserable.)<br><br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks for typing all of that out. It looks great. Caution, do not do a bunch of cilantro if you have a bunch of mercury fillings in your teeth. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> I caused myself serious detox headaches and brain fog for days. It was horrible. (It was in conjunction with large amounts of kombucha and the die-off was seriously miserable.)<br><br><br>
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I've added flower essences to my water this time around in hopes of helping diminish detox symptoms as per the recommendation of someone who is very versed in things of flower essences. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">: I use walnut, cherry plum, holly, and agrimony. Today wasn't the best marker of if it was working <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hide.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hide">: but I hope in the long run it'll make a difference.
 

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Thanks so much for sharing! This is kind of what I'm unclear about. We are talking about all these detox pathways here, and so is this list here things that would be helpful for any of us? Or are there some things that you need to figure out what pathway is clogged and where or else certain things that you do could potentially be detrimental, or in the least, not helpful. I am foggy now and need to go to bed!
 

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Thank you thank you thank you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/joy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="joy">:
 

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i have read about the dry brushing in the past ( and totally forgot about it). what does it do?[/QUOTE]<br><br>
I believe dry brushing serves 2 purposes:<br>
to move off the dead skin cells to let skin "breath" more clearly,<br>
and to move lymph. You start brushing from the fingers and toes toward the trunk, and ultimately toward the heart. Special focus can be given to areas full of lymph nodes, the front and sides of the neck, armpits, creases where thighs meet pelvis. Lymph fluid does not have a pulse, it must be moved by motion, its flow is aided by activities like exercise or brushing. Brushing does not need to be vigorous or coarse. It can be done very gently and should feel good...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks so much for sharing! This is kind of what I'm unclear about. We are talking about all these detox pathways here, and so is this list here things that would be helpful for any of us? Or are there some things that you need to figure out what pathway is clogged and where or else certain things that you do could potentially be detrimental, or in the least, not helpful. I am foggy now and need to go to bed!</div>
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Honestly, I couldn't tell ya. She gave me some specific dosages to take --for me--like the Vit. D for example, and most of this is from a GENERAL handout she gives to <b>pregnant/nursing moms</b>.<br><br>
I never got into it about specific pathways. I literally said ok tell me what to do, because I can't figure it out anymore.<br><br>
It was <b>worth every cent</b> to have this peace of mind. Maybe when my head is in a better place I'll revisit the biochem of it all, but that's not what I need at this point in my life.<br><br>
As I mentioned, they squeezed me in between her other appointments, so at the end it was kind of rushed, but I will email her once I read through everything again and then ask some questions/clarification on a few things and report back if it's anything significant.<br><br>
HTH!
 

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friendly bump because more ppl are online now<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Bumping this back up as I had to go looking for it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
And a question: can someone remind me again as to the purpose of Milk Thistle and Nettle? Is it for the liver? Detox? Adrenal support?
 

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I believe dry brushing serves 2 purposes:<br>
to move off the dead skin cells to let skin "breath" more clearly,<br>
and to move lymph. You start brushing from the fingers and toes toward the trunk, and ultimately toward the heart. Special focus can be given to areas full of lymph nodes, the front and sides of the neck, armpits, creases where thighs meet pelvis. Lymph fluid does not have a pulse, it must be moved by motion, its flow is aided by activities like exercise or brushing. Brushing does not need to be vigorous or coarse. It can be done very gently and should feel good...[/quote]<br><br>
thank you! maybe dh can be of assistance here<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Bumping this back up as I had to go looking for it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
And a question: can someone remind me again as to the purpose of Milk Thistle and Nettle? Is it for the liver? Detox? Adrenal support?</div>
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Milk Thistle is for liver support. Nettles are high in lots of good nutritive minerals! More on nettles <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1038990&page=2" target="_blank">here</a>.<br><br>
Thanks for sharing your ND appt. with all of us!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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You are VERY welcome. I seriously was thinking of all of you while I was there and I couldn't wait to get back and share!<br><br>
I just wanted to add in case anyone wondered..I specifically asked her which multivitamin to take and she said there is no point at this stage since I'd only absorb about 30% of it anyway. Nettles she told me before at a prior appt is full of good stuff and she recommends for adrenal support as well as the liver.<br><br>
oh and she originally recommended milk thistle tea to a friend who I took to see her due to addiction issues (cocaine)..she's been clean for a year now, but I really wanted to take her to figure out the whys and help her from relapsing at a later time..anyway the ND was so encouraging and told her this stuff (the milk thistle tea) will pretty much give you a new liver. It was funny, on the way home we were all <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> saying "woohoo! here's to a new liver!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You are VERY welcome. I seriously was thinking of all of you while I was there and I couldn't wait to get back and share!<br><br>
I just wanted to add in case anyone wondered..I specifically asked her which multivitamin to take and she said <b>there is no point at this stage since I'd only absorb about 30% of it anyway</b>. Nettles she told me before at a prior appt is full of good stuff and she recommends for adrenal support as well as the liver.</div>
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ETA: just surprised! i knew i wasn't absorbing well, but wow!
 

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Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. Why does it say supervised use of milk thistle tea? There is milk thistle in the mothers milk tea that I drink (I am nursing). Should I be concerned?
 

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Not sure what the exclamation means. I didn't ask much beyondthat because I hate swallowing pills and I'm eating better than ever anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
and about the supervised milk thistle, I don't know. It said that on the handout. But she was perfectly ok with me taking it. I read milk thistle can be used to increase milk supply so not sure. Maybe supervised so moms who are nursing or pregnant just don't over do it?
 
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