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With more than 24,000 U.S. children treated for shopping cart-related injuries last year, the American Academy of Pediatrics says better designs and stricter government regulation are needed.
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Most injuries occur when children aren't strapped in and fall while standing in carts. But many shopping carts are designed with a high center of gravity, making them prone to tipping over even when children are properly placed in the seating area, said Dr. Gary Smith, chairman of an academy committee that wrote the new policy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060807/...ZoBHNlYwM3NTE-

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State and federal laws should be enacted to require minimum safety standards for shopping carts, according to the policy.
Maybe Hotslings or one of our WAHM sling makers can just set up a contract with the shopping centers instead
They can just have them at the door and the companies would save billions over replacing all their carts!
 

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Most injuries occur when children aren't strapped in and fall while standing in carts. But many shopping carts are designed with a high center of gravity, making them prone to tipping over even when children are properly placed in the seating area, said Dr. Gary Smith, chairman of an academy committee that wrote the new policy.
Ok if they are not strapped in, and there are working straps that goes back to parents responsibility. Yes there are many places that need to get better straps and I don't disagree with forcing places to do that and to fix broken ones (basic cart maintenance). But when you don't strap your kids into a shopping cart it is like not strapping them in a car seat.

Kids shouldn't ride on the out side of carts either.

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Alternatives include strollers, wagons, and carts some stores provide that have plastic mini-cars or trucks attached to the front, allowing children to ride much closer to the ground.
We have these in several of our local stores...I see kids hanging out of them or riding on top of them. When my dh worked at a grocery store a kid reached out and mom snag the corner of an aisle while mom was turning. He at least had a dislocated elbow. My dh quit before he found out if things were broken. We see kids hoping in and out of them. Plus they aren't really made for multiple kids that are "big"

Is anything there needs to be a safety campaign and hold parents a little more responsible. I work at a hardware store that have cart safety messages running over head periodically, yet I still see parents allowing there kids to "surf" on flat bed cart that we have for heavy items. This company also lost a law suit because a parent allowed their child to lay on a flat bed and the parent accidentally rolled over and severed the kid's fingers. The flat bed had other items on it making it even heavier than the flat bed.

The first step in solving the problem is making sure they are being used properly because no change in the carts will work if they aren't being used properly.
 

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Is anything there needs to be a safety campaign and hold parents a little more responsible.
Safety campaigns don't make money for the AAP.
: I figure they want to hold the patent on the re-designed carts and then strongarm stores into accepting the new models. Cha-ching. $$$$$$$$$
 

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Safety campaigns don't make money for the AAP.
: I figure they want to hold the patent on the re-designed carts and then strongarm stores into accepting the new models. Cha-ching. $$$$$$$$$
I agree.....kind of like this no co-sleeping thing. I think they are getting some sort of kick back.
 

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One of the local stores has some of those "car" type shopping carts. It's like pushing a boat through the supermarket- I don't have the arm strength to control that thing safely. DS usually has a tantrum when I go to that store when I explain to him that we need to use a regular shopping cart.
 

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One of the local stores has some of those "car" type shopping carts. It's like pushing a boat through the supermarket- I don't have the arm strength to control that thing safely. DS usually has a tantrum when I go to that store when I explain to him that we need to use a regular shopping cart.
We have them as well. Not only are they clunky and hard to manuever, they are Flithy! Flithy with a capital F.
 

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My kids both figured out how to thwart the shopping cart straps really early. Even when I buckled it on them fairly high on their chest, and reasonably tight, they each figured out how to loosen it, then stand straight up inside of it. They could each do it in the wink of an eye, then wind up standing with their feet inside the loop made by the strap - I had Talia almost take a header because she was tangled in the strap. After a few times, I determined that the straps were practically worthless. They increased my kid's safety by only a tiny margin because they were thwarted so quickly and effortlessly, and that margin was made even slimmer by the danger they posed in tripping. That super-slim margin just wasn't worth hearing them scream when they didn't want the strap on. Whether they're strapped or not, I have to keep an eagle eye on them when they're in a climbing-out kind of mood. Strap or not, if I can keep them reasonably occupied, they're pretty safe.

For a while, I was using a home-made five-point strap, and that worked well; but not all carts were conducive to it. They didn't all have a place where portions of the strap could slip through. I failed to properly finish the strap ends (lazy...), so when it frayed, I gave up on it. But, I think something like that is a quick and easy first step that anybody can take on their own. It required a few feet of webbing and two parachute clips from Joann Fabric.

I *hate* the cars. Again, the girls thwart the buckles on them pretty effortlessly. And, they're so far away from me when I'm pushing the cart that I can't prevent them playing inappropriately - trying to climb out the front window of the car, dragging their hands on the ground. I can't always see when they grab things off the shelves we pass. Not to mention, the things steer like mack trucks and you can't see the front of it - I've accidentally run it into people's ankles because I couldn't tell where the front of it was.

I can still sling one or the other, usually Anika who's smaller. But, I can't sling both of them. Slings just aren't an option for folks with multiple kids - or many grandparents, or people with physical issues that prevent slinging. Further, Talia went through a phase between about a year and 18 months where she would *not* ride in the sling when she wanted down - and stores were a big one for wanting down.

I'm partial to the carts that have the big seats at the back end of the cart (the end where you push). The kids can scramble in and out easily and safely, when they're sitting in it they're close enough to be in my control, it's less inviting to inappropriate play. The only problem with them is they're even more difficult to steer than the cars.

I do let the girls ride on the outside of the cart, but only on the front or back - never on the sides, which makes them tip. Ani is allowed in the back of the cart, where I'm holding on, so I can hold over top of her hands so she won't fall. Tali can ride on the front, but may not wiggle it or drag her feet. Seriously, she behaves better in that situation, where she feels like she has some control over what she's doing and that she's being responsible by following rules, than she is when I deposit her in the cart seat for safekeeping. She's tipped the cart already struggling to get out of it, and it wasn't even in a temper tantrum, it was just trying to get her knees dislodged.

I have a huge Valley Speeder wagon. It's tempting to buy one of the optional bench seats for it, and bring that along for grocery shopping, except the thing is a bear to get in and out of the car. I just wish the bench seat would attach at the front intead of the back, so the kids couldn't kick the groceries... What am I saying? DH is a woodworker! I should make him make me one! He can make it with seat belts, too... oh, now my mind is clicking away
Anyway, I think something like that would be ideal. The seats are low to the ground, low enough that, if you don't strap the kids, they can get in and out freely and safely. And wagons are much safer in the store, since you're dragging them rather than pushing them out four feet ahead of you as you turn blind corners.

Hm.... or maybe I should buy them each a pair of Wheelie shoes, and tie them to my waist with leashes. I bet they'd both love to be pulled around the store after me like they're jet-skiing
 

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Our stores have the car ones too, and DS figured out how to get the straps off and slide out the window like The Dukes of Hazzard in no time.

The carts I like are the stroller type ones at Kohl's...it has a deep basket on the back, with a low sitting seat in front of it like a stroller.
 

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Ok if they are not strapped in, and there are working straps that goes back to parents responsibility. Yes there are many places that need to get better straps and I don't disagree with forcing places to do that and to fix broken ones (basic cart maintenance). But when you don't strap your kids into a shopping cart it is like not strapping them in a car seat.

Kids shouldn't ride on the out side of carts either.

The first step in solving the problem is making sure they are being used properly because no change in the carts will work if they aren't being used properly.
Totally agree, safety should start with the parents first.

I worked in a store, I don't know how many times I saw people using the carts in an inappropriate manner. The problem isn't with the carts(as long as they are not broekn), it's the parents. One day this lady let her baby suck on a Moshi pillow (spandex on the outside, styrofoam bead inside) the entire time she shopped, then threw the pillow back when she was done!!!!
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: How much you wanna bet that if the baby choked she would have sued the store?!?!?! The pillow says right on it, "Not for children under 3"

Where has the parent's responsibility gone??? If seems as though everything and anyone BUT the parents get blaimed when things go wrong.
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One of the local stores has some of those "car" type shopping carts. It's like pushing a boat through the supermarket- I don't have the arm strength to control that thing safely. DS usually has a tantrum when I go to that store when I explain to him that we need to use a regular shopping cart.
And they aren't impervious to tipping either - I just saw one tip over the other day, with two kids inside the "car" part.
 

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Well, perhaps it isn't proper reverence for the topic, but the official AAP statement made me howl with laughter. Here are their suggestions for what parents should do until carts are redesigned:

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· Get another adult to come with them to watch the children while shopping.
· Put children in strollers, wagons, or frontpacks instead of in shopping carts.
· Ask older children to walk and praise them for behaving and staying nearby.
· Leave children at home with another adult.
· Shop online if local stores offer shopping on the Internet.
Whooo! Yeah. That'll happen.
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http://www.aap.org/advocacy/releases...oppingcart.htm
 

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Am I the only one who has NEVER seen a cart tip or even known someone that this happened to???
Oh, and yeah, Molly can get out of the straps in seconds flat, I don't strap her in because yeah, she's in more danger of tripping while getting out--not to mention, strapping her in seems to hand her the challenge of getting out as soon as she can, she'll give me 30 minutes to grocery shop if I leave her loose in the cart. (Gee, I wonder how many moms are talking about my lack of responsibility when they see me pass!)
 

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My oldest son was strapped in and managed to get out and fall in the time it took me to urn around, grab something and turn back. He broke his collar bone.

Yes.

Shopping carts need to be redesigned.

Much more can be said, but then come into play accusations (parental attention), excuses, etc and it's not needed. Shopping carts are notoriously unsafe.
 

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DH and I saw a child unbuckle herself and stand up fully in the time it took her mom to put a box back on the shelf. We both had our mouths open ready to yell down the aisle, as the baby appeared to be about to jump out, when the mom noticed. We just looked at each other in shock. I can see how it would happen.
 
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