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I have some questions about certification vs. working on your own.<br><br>
Anyone?
Anyone?
Does anyone here do professional placenta encapsulation?
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I do them and love it!! I was associated with the company that certifies. I just jumped the sinking ship and have 'lots of oppinions and thoughts about the new format of her business. What exactly are your questions?
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Hi - thanks.<br><br>
Well, I guess overall I am wondering about the benefits of paying for training and being part of a network of peers.<br><br>
I am the type, always have been, that loves to do my own research and put my own unique spin on things. My own 'brand' so to speak. I also have connections to the HB-ing community where I am.<br><br>
I wonder about 'quotas' and having to pay $40 per client back to the company - forever. I mean, I am a memeber of La Leche League, they also do outreach, advertise their meetings, maintain an in-depth website.....I pay them $40 per year.<br><br>
Then again, I like the idea of legal support when dealing with hospitals, etc.<br><br>
I'd love to hear any thoughts you or others have.
Well, I guess overall I am wondering about the benefits of paying for training and being part of a network of peers.<br><br>
I am the type, always have been, that loves to do my own research and put my own unique spin on things. My own 'brand' so to speak. I also have connections to the HB-ing community where I am.<br><br>
I wonder about 'quotas' and having to pay $40 per client back to the company - forever. I mean, I am a memeber of La Leche League, they also do outreach, advertise their meetings, maintain an in-depth website.....I pay them $40 per year.<br><br>
Then again, I like the idea of legal support when dealing with hospitals, etc.<br><br>
I'd love to hear any thoughts you or others have.
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I looked into that company as well. I chose not to do it with them. I can understand a small due to pay every year but there was a whole lot of talking in circles and justifying. I'd prefer to do it to help women not have a quota and having someone dipping in my pocket.( If I wanted that I would go back selling phones.)Then not be able to provide that service if I leave the company is a load of crap. It shows how much confidence they put in their system.<br><br>
If you seriously are questioning it, you know the answer!!!<br>
best of luck
If you seriously are questioning it, you know the answer!!!<br>
best of luck
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Many verterans left the company for these very reasons. If you're looking for a community of peers to ask questions to try all doulas placenta forum or, <a href="http://thenewplacentagroup.ning.com/" target="_blank">http://thenewplacentagroup.ning.com/</a> this group is compiled mostly of folks who left.<br>
Before you sign up you should crunch the numbers a bit. You will be forking over $200/month even if you don't do 5 placentas a month. That's what her contract binds you to. That boils down to $2400/ year. $2400/ yr times say 50 specialists is $120,000/yr. the way I see it this is not someone who is trying to cover costs but is looking to get rich off of ME. Not to mention the dramatic increase over what she was charging- $250/yr. I NEVER got a single referral from that $250. Nope not a single one. When I (and others) have directly asked her what she is going to do with that money her answer is vague at best, "take it to a national level". OK, does that mean??<br>
She has taken a business model that works for slimy sales men.. not the birth world. Can you imagine if Midwives or doulas used a multilevel marketing scheme?? We wouldn't go very far. Mana, NARM, CAPPA, DONA none of them are using a multilevel marketing plan and there is a reason for it.<br><br>
Be careful what you sign. Jodi is a sly cat and can't be trusted. She has put many past specialists in an unethically sticky legal situation. They are not allowed to encapsulate placentas for 3-5 yrs or say they were trained or certified through her company. I paid for training and I should have the right to say I recieved it. There are many other unethical mishaps that have happened over the course of her switchover to the new method. Too many to list here.<br><br>
You may find it difficult to get an honest response from previous specialist as she has bound us in our contracts to not compete with her or try to disuade someone from joining her company. My response to you alone puts me in a very precarious situation. Additionally, you may be hard pressed to find someone who can giveyou a positive reccommendation that doesn't want you to be under them in the chain.<br><br>
My statements are ONLY my opinion and my personal experience. You will need to make your own informed decision. My comments are in no way meant to disuade you from doing anything one way or the other.
Before you sign up you should crunch the numbers a bit. You will be forking over $200/month even if you don't do 5 placentas a month. That's what her contract binds you to. That boils down to $2400/ year. $2400/ yr times say 50 specialists is $120,000/yr. the way I see it this is not someone who is trying to cover costs but is looking to get rich off of ME. Not to mention the dramatic increase over what she was charging- $250/yr. I NEVER got a single referral from that $250. Nope not a single one. When I (and others) have directly asked her what she is going to do with that money her answer is vague at best, "take it to a national level". OK, does that mean??<br>
She has taken a business model that works for slimy sales men.. not the birth world. Can you imagine if Midwives or doulas used a multilevel marketing scheme?? We wouldn't go very far. Mana, NARM, CAPPA, DONA none of them are using a multilevel marketing plan and there is a reason for it.<br><br>
Be careful what you sign. Jodi is a sly cat and can't be trusted. She has put many past specialists in an unethically sticky legal situation. They are not allowed to encapsulate placentas for 3-5 yrs or say they were trained or certified through her company. I paid for training and I should have the right to say I recieved it. There are many other unethical mishaps that have happened over the course of her switchover to the new method. Too many to list here.<br><br>
You may find it difficult to get an honest response from previous specialist as she has bound us in our contracts to not compete with her or try to disuade someone from joining her company. My response to you alone puts me in a very precarious situation. Additionally, you may be hard pressed to find someone who can giveyou a positive reccommendation that doesn't want you to be under them in the chain.<br><br>
My statements are ONLY my opinion and my personal experience. You will need to make your own informed decision. My comments are in no way meant to disuade you from doing anything one way or the other.
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WOW! I was just about to post this same question. I am so glad I checked the boards today. I will DEFINITELY be checking out other options. THANKS!!!<br><br>
Jenny
Jenny
is there any legal benefit to belonging to a certified group? I thought that there was some trouble with the FDA seizing placenta encapsulation equipment and materials. would belonging to a certifying body and following certain procedures prevent this from happening?
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there is absolutley no legal benefit to being associated with that org. In fact. she clearly states in her contract that she WILL NOT back you up in the event of a legal issue.<br><br>
There was an issue in FL with Sherry Daniels and her birth center. I understand there was an issue with placentas getting mixed up or something like that. When you do it it the mama's home you remove that concern.
there is absolutley no legal benefit to being associated with that org. In fact. she clearly states in her contract that she WILL NOT back you up in the event of a legal issue.<br><br>
There was an issue in FL with Sherry Daniels and her birth center. I understand there was an issue with placentas getting mixed up or something like that. When you do it it the mama's home you remove that concern.
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Thank you for your feedback. Suffice it to say my decision was nearly made before I posted, and you've given me more food for thought.<br><br>
I actually thought the quota was the amount I had to pay the $40 on - then anything above I would keep the whole thing.<br><br>
And thanks so much for the link - one thing I really feel I need in this is a community of peers, that's what I would have been looking for with her.
I actually thought the quota was the amount I had to pay the $40 on - then anything above I would keep the whole thing.<br><br>
And thanks so much for the link - one thing I really feel I need in this is a community of peers, that's what I would have been looking for with her.
Many encapsulation specialists do this on their own and are successful and happy. Check out this link to see just a handful of placenta preparers who do this without being bound to a company.<br><a href="http://www.avoidthebabyblues.com" target="_blank">http://www.avoidthebabyblues.com</a>
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i also looked into the group. but she seemed really all about the money. i didnt like that i would have to charge my clients more, regardless. I work on a sliding scale, and often will teach a woman how to do it on her own if she absolutely cannot afford it. or work just for the cost of materials. those options wouldnt have been available to me if i worked with her group. i also liked finding a member of my own birth community who could teach me how to do it. it just felt better to me. you know?
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Hello ladies I thought Id jump in. PrincessRuby thank you for that info. I was <span style="font-size:xx-small;">THIS</span> close to jumping on board but after my phone "interview" with Jodi and this new way of doing things with the quotas and the fees I got a bad feeling so I decided not to. Im gonna check out the other sites listed here as well for more info. Just as a side note, I am pregnant now and purchased the individual encapsulation kit from Jodi to do my own placenta. Im looking forward to the practice and the benefits of encapsulating my placenta.
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I offer this service. last year I contacted the company before everything changes and considered doing it. I know 2 people personally that had gone through them. I had taken Cornelia Ennings workshop when I was in Denmark at a Midwifery Today conference.<br><br>
I decided not to do the program. I didnt want to have to buy certain products that were approved or feel pressurred to. I put together my own kit for a fraction of the cost. I feel pretty confident about the sanitation aspect of it since I went to culinary college and have taken a SevSafe course.
I decided not to do the program. I didnt want to have to buy certain products that were approved or feel pressurred to. I put together my own kit for a fraction of the cost. I feel pretty confident about the sanitation aspect of it since I went to culinary college and have taken a SevSafe course.
I did not go through PBi for the exact same reasons as stated above. I crunched the numbers and saw she was making out like a mad woman... I don't work to fill her pocket I work to help people. Most of my work is low or no-cost so I couldn't afford to pay her fees anyways! I too went to culinary school and have done tons of research so I feel perfectly qualified to do this without Jodi's approval.
Nothing much new to add.<br><br>
I do it, and I do it independently. I would love the paperwork assistance of being with an organization, but for all the reasons you've heard above and more I did not want to join the one organization that currently exists.<br><br>
I've found an amazing community of folks at the two places mentioned to you previously. Learning to do the processing is easy to do on your own. Learning to problem solve, learning how to deal with specific situations or health issues with clients is harder, and having a peer group to talk to is invaluable. AllDoulas and the ning group are giving me that.
I do it, and I do it independently. I would love the paperwork assistance of being with an organization, but for all the reasons you've heard above and more I did not want to join the one organization that currently exists.<br><br>
I've found an amazing community of folks at the two places mentioned to you previously. Learning to do the processing is easy to do on your own. Learning to problem solve, learning how to deal with specific situations or health issues with clients is harder, and having a peer group to talk to is invaluable. AllDoulas and the ning group are giving me that.
When I was with PBi you still had to keep your own paperwork, and send in a copy. From what I understand from the changes now copies do not need to be sent in, but you still keep track of your own paperwork. In my opinion being with company does nothing to help with paperwork...it is all still your own responsibility.
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Sorry - I wasn't clear. When I said paperwork, I was thinking in terms of sample client contracts, sample letters to hospitals/doctors/public health department, that kind of thing. But I'm getting that kind of help from other independents. It's not as easy, though, as being handed a binder with field-tested samples of things in it which you might get from being part of an organization or training program. Ultimately, that would be a cool thing to have access to.
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<div style="font-style:italic;">When I was with PBi you still had to keep your own paperwork, and send in a copy. From what I understand from the changes now copies do not need to be sent in, but you still keep track of your own paperwork. In my opinion being with company does nothing to help with paperwork...it is all still your own responsibility.</div>
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Sorry - I wasn't clear. When I said paperwork, I was thinking in terms of sample client contracts, sample letters to hospitals/doctors/public health department, that kind of thing. But I'm getting that kind of help from other independents. It's not as easy, though, as being handed a binder with field-tested samples of things in it which you might get from being part of an organization or training program. Ultimately, that would be a cool thing to have access to.
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bumping this again. so I had a question... so this just popped in my head. What is a certificate through PBI worth? I mean, is it an actual organization that can provide a valid certificate? I mean who honors that? whos to say that jodi just decided to print up something she calls a certificate to make money on this... kwim? whats there to prove the validity of it? whats to stop any person who knows how to dry and encapsulate a placenta offering a class or kit and charge for a fee and say you are certified? I guess Im asking for the credentials.
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<div style="font-style:italic;">bumping this again. so I had a question... so this just popped in my head. What is a certificate through PBI worth? I mean, is it an actual organization that can provide a valid certificate? I mean who honors that? whos to say that jodi just decided to print up something she calls a certificate to make money on this... kwim? whats there to prove the validity of it? whats to stop any person who knows how to dry and encapsulate a placenta offering a class or kit and charge for a fee and say you are certified? I guess Im asking for the credentials.</div>
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Nothing at all. The same is true for every doula organization that exists, and for every other training of any kind that doesn't have government regulation - many therapists, counsellors, home stagers, the guy you hired to fix your drywall, etc.
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<div style="font-style:italic;">bumping this again. so I had a question... so this just popped in my head. What is a certificate through PBI worth? I mean, is it an actual organization that can provide a valid certificate? I mean who honors that? whos to say that jodi just decided to print up something she calls a certificate to make money on this... kwim? whats there to prove the validity of it? whats to stop any person who knows how to dry and encapsulate a placenta offering a class or kit and charge for a fee and say you are certified? I guess Im asking for the credentials.</div>
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Nothing at all. The same is true for every doula organization that exists, and for every other training of any kind that doesn't have government regulation - many therapists, counsellors, home stagers, the guy you hired to fix your drywall, etc.
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