Does it even matter who we vote for?

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luckylady

Discussion Starter · Oct 11, 2003

Do you really think Arnold needs to know anything about politics? Do you think it matters who we, the people, want in office? Do you think that the majority of people even KNOW who their own senators or governers are? Do you think that there are other powers that be in control, and Bush and Arnold and every other politician, is nothing more than a face, a puppet - doing what they are told. Who runs America? America has a plan that is being followed. if you are unaware of PNAC (the Plan for the New American Century) you need to know about it. Here's a quote on the principles:

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

full text: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Who signed this? The above was written in 1997, signed by Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Quayle - and many others.

it's real and it's scary as he!!. 9-11 was used to open to door - create a front - a classic wag the dog scenario. It hurt all of us profoundly and deeply and it opened us to all say OK, let's go hunt down the terrorists. Do you think we would have ever allowed a middle east war otherwise? No way! Is it really a reality that we had no clue about the WTC attacks? Come on. We knew. And we (our government) allowed it to happen.

The only way, IMHO, that we the people will take control of our governenment again, is if we the people revolt. Who do we need to revolt against? BIG BUSINESS. Corporations.

*sigh* it's just overwhelming when you look at the big picture. Wanted to share some good news sources as well:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

**wanted to write in more detail, but DD is waking up...

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applejuice

· #2 · Oct 11, 2003

In a word, "NO" , it does not matter who or what you vote for.

The "powers that be" feel that THEY know what is good for you and they are willing to shove it down your throat as long as there is $$ in it for them.

You always need to work in your own best interests no matter what because no one else will.

That is "what the powers that be" will do for themselves.

You need to imitate "their" behavior.

Most elections are a farce, no matter what anyone says.

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steph

· #3 · Oct 12, 2003

sorry to disagree, but while elections as they are may be inferior (i've never understood the whole electoral college thing), they are the process we have. I have no respect for anyone who chooses not to vote. It's being irresponsible, in my opinion. One of the reasons we have the mess in politics that we do is because people don't vote. I agree, corporations can put a hell of a spin on things and alot of joe and jane average don't bother to think beyond that. BUT, there is also enough information out there to counter that mis-information if one chooses to find it. The corporations want you to think it's futile - it makes their job that much easier. If more than 25% of the population pulled their heads out of the tv and am talk-radio and used their brains, then got off their asses and voted, things would be different indeed. it's the old JFK paraphrase - if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. You're vote is your voice - use it or loose it.

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applejuice

· #4 · Oct 12, 2003

I have run the local polling precinct and been the 'judge' at my neighborhood poll many times. I have put many initiatives on the ballot by petitioning (for free, not for pay), only to see some judge overturn the will/vote of the people.

I remember propostion 14 in 1964, 13 in 1978, 187 in 1994, Gore in 2000, and now a recall in 2003. Does a regularly scheduled election result mean anything anymore?