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Just poking around in vaers tonight - noted these numbers.<br><br>
Deaths overall and type of insurance<br><br>
57 - military<br>
563 - other insurance<br>
633 - private insurance<br><b>913 - public insurance</b><br><br>
is it just me, or does it seem wierd that deaths with public insurance are the highest number? I would have thought that would be the least reported group, with many working parents who maybe aren't educated as well as others using medicaid, etc for thier children, and they might not even know about reporting to vaers.<br><br>
And I'm not attacking those parents - my DD is on medicaid too.
 

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I think it's just because there are a lot more people on public insurance in the country than on any other type.
 

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Yeah, I don't think those numbers tell you much without knowing the total number of vaccines given per category. At least then you could calculate a percentage and have something to compare.
 

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i personally think its because of the low income clinics that heavily push vaxes, and the majority of parents in that bracket (i was one of them) are young and uneducated on the issue being a choice.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i personally think its because of the low income clinics that heavily push vaxes, and the majority of parents in that bracket (i was one of them) are young and uneducated on the issue being a choice.</div>
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I don't agree with this--it's not as if large percentages of middle-class and upwards are refusing vax and only the poor people get them in huge quantities. IME all insurance and docs push vax and the most "educated" people are all for them for the most part and don't hesitate to get them for their insured children.<br><br>
I can't explain the numbers as it would probably take a lot of detailed info to do that. Are almost half of young infants on public medicaid or CHIP? That seems <i>possible</i>. I know CHIP use is high in our state and much of the middle class qualifies.<br><br>
Are low-income patients more likely to have new, experimental, or "lower-quality" vax? Are medicaid patients likely to get more vax per visit? Are they more likely to suffer from poor nutrition or to be part of a further endangered group such as heavy drug users which makes their babes' systems less strong in processing reactants? Quite possible. (Though so many Medicaid recipients have great nutrition and a healthy lifestyle as well!) That could make the difference between bad reactions and a deaths statistically.
 

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i think this is more of a math question than a vax question, and statistically it would be premature to be pulling out the conspiracy theories just yet. it does seem that this would be an artifact of the sheer numbers, and i'm guessing that this is simply a reflection of how many people have those types of insurance.<br><br>
yes, i'm guessing.<br><br>
and i'm hoping, too...because the implications of this having a more sinister meaning are horrifying to imagine.
 

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but the push from the medicaid program for vaxes (regular letters to remind you, wic acting like you cant have benifits without your vax record, it really does have alot t do with it. I know, ds is on medicaid, and for a year and a half have been fighting to get into a dr instead of the clinics. None of the drs are accepting new medicaid patients, and we are left with the clinics, who barely give out the VIS's let alone are nice when you go against the grain.<br><br>
I think a big factor may also be alot of low income people using formula.
 

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It just seems to me that the push is pretty universal--in different ways it is powerful across the board.<br><br>
It seems to me that you are suggesting that, statistically, fewer privately-insured parents vax?
 

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The math isn't the answer. Less than 1/4 of children in the US are on public insurance...<br><br><a href="http://www.hschange.org/CONTENT/694/" target="_blank">http://www.hschange.org/CONTENT/694/</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">It just seems to me that the push is pretty universal--in different ways it is powerful across the board.<br><br>
It seems to me that you are suggesting that, statistically, fewer privately-insured parents vax?</div>
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no, the numbers may be the same on simple vaxing, but they are more likely to know its a choice or have selective or delayed schedules and better healthcare acsess.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The math isn't the answer. Less than 1/4 of children in the US are on public insurance...<br><br><a href="http://www.hschange.org/CONTENT/694/" target="_blank">http://www.hschange.org/CONTENT/694/</a></div>
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oh, man. i'm going to have nightmares tonight.<br><br>
can we talk more about what this could possibly mean?
 
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