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My son started K at a new private school. Over the summer we got the physical form and instructions to go get a physical. Below the vax record grid there were checkboxes for a medical exemption or a religious exemption and with the religious was also a directive to include a personal statement. This "statement from the parent/guardian" is written into the PA laws on vax. In our state the religious exemption is worded such that philosophical exemptions are covered, so it can be pretty simple.<br><br>
I turn in the physical, check "religious" and write the statement that "I object to vax, protected under PA, 23...blah blah."<br><br>
So yesterday the teacher stops me on my way out after I dropped my son off. She hands me a card from the PA Dept of Health, on one side is a vax record grid and on the other is the exemption stuff with "state your reason for requesting a religious exemption_________________________________________ _________________________________________." So I was confused b/c I had already checked the physical form's exemption box and written a statement.<br><br>
well get this....<br>
I spoke to the nurse about this card and she informed me that it is kept in a separate file, "in case they are ever audited by the Health Dept., since those folks can't go into the kids' private medical files because of HIPPAA."<br><br>
Well, I smell a rat. See, I got the card PERSONALLY from the teacher who said, "Oh, Kate, I have something for you on my desk," and it was NOT in a stack of these vax cards. It was by itself with a post-it reminding her to give it to me.<br><br>
The problem with that is that this school is VERY efficient with paperwork items. They have a polyvinyl folder for every kid that comes home every Thursday and it requires a sig./date from the parent so they know I read the stuff and must be returned with the sign/date card the next day.<br><br>
So why, when physical forms were sent through the mail over the summer, were these cards not included in the envelope, seeing as they <i>do</i> require a doctor's sig. for the vax record side or for claiming medical on the exemption side, or why weren't these cards given to all parents in the Thursday envelope?<br><br>
Sounds to me like someone is keeping a file of non-vaxing parents, and I am tempted to say it is NOT the school, but the Health Dept that is doing something dirty.<br><br>
I just don't know what to do, but I feel like I have been put in this place for a reason.....is it just to be p.o'd that the stinkers in gov't can get away with such policing?
 

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Any time any government official or employee request or demands anything whatsoever then you must do the following each and every time:<br><br>
1. Require that the government person provides you with the law/statute that allegedly requires you to do what the government is asking.<br><br>
2. Read said law.<br><br>
3. Determine if you are subject to said law.<br><br>
4. Act accordingly.<br><br><br>
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Read Civil Disobedience by Thoreau and understand that you can reject any and all laws that the government presumes applies to you.
 

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That sounds very fishy to me. I'd just 'forget' to give it back. See if they say anything. And then, go from there <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That sounds very fishy to me. I'd just 'forget' to give it back. See if they say anything. And then, go from there <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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I just did this with my DD in military day care (the front desk woman is a harpie and I'm not good with confrontation). It's been almost 3 weeks, I'm just hoping that they never open her file again!<br><br>
But sometimes I wonder if this is why some pro-vaxers think anti-vaxers are flakey...I mean they can't even remember to get a silly little vax card filled out! <sheesh!> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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I think you're a pretty smart lady.<br><br>
I'd do as the PP said...show me the statute.<br><br>
Lisa
 

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I agree. I would also ask other parents if they got the card, just to confirm that they targeted you individually. And know that it is a HIPAA violation for the nurse to share your child's non-vax status with the teacher. The records are to be sealed and not shared with other administrators. I also smell a rat. Good for you for not taking the cheese.
 

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well, I'm glad that you, Kokopelli-mana, were really explicit with what I should do, because I am WAY too optimistic and trusting sometimes. And thank you for pointing out the potential HIPAA violation bit, I would not have thought about that<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"> .<br>
When you, vaxskill, posted those "steps" and the Civil Disobedience reference, I was <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> thinking "well, now what?" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> So... while I can be smart about some things, I can be really airy-the-clouds-with-rose-colored-glasses, also. I was confused about what law it was that I should be wanting to see and why, b/c I get the PA law.<br>
All of this looked to me like it was in line with the PA statutes, but just sounding like a legal way of monitoring people and that I am suspicious of. My ex husband turned me into one hell of a conspiracy theorist, but I still get caught up in believing that everyone is generally good, honest, forthright...gets me into trouble.....<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake">
 

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This is why some people find it easier, if law breaking, to fill out a fraudulent vax record. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Bolt.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bolt"><br><br>
ETA: and there's no way in hell I'd turn that card back in for anything.<br><br>
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Don't quote me, but as far as I know, in PA the only thing that is 'official' is the green and white card.<br><br>
I knew I had to find the green/white card but had no luck. I ended up calling the dept of health and they told me that the nurse's office of the school should have them. They did.<br><br>
I had to go in and fill out the card at school, our nurse would not let it leave her office. JME
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Don't quote me, but as far as I know, in PA the only thing that is 'official' is the green and white card.<br><br>
I knew I had to find the green/white card but had no luck. I ended up calling the dept of health and they told me that the nurse's office of the school should have them. They did.<br><br>
I had to go in and fill out the card at school, our nurse would not let it leave her office. JME</div>
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yea, this is the card I am referring to. Why did you have to find a card? I'm confused (again<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> ).<br>
The nurse at our school allowed it to leave.<br>
Were you the only parent (or you and other non-vaxers the only parent<b>S</b>) who got a card at your school, or did everyone do it?<br>
Do you remember what you wrote next to the reason for requesting an exemption?
 

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So here's the latest development: Today at p/u his teacher handed me another card from the nurse (I had told her I needed a new one before the wise mamas on here pointed out that I should just ignore the whole thing - DOH!) and I asked him flat out if other parents were getting these. He seemed pretty clueless and said he didn't think so, but he really wasn't aware (there are actually 3 teachers and the male is new this year, so he's kind of trying to just keep his head above water in a sea of kindergarteners ). He told me he would get back to me.<br><br>
So do I push the issue of trying to find out who is getting them, just fill it in and return it, ignore the whole thing (although it looks like the nurse will persist because it's been more than a week and she still remembered) or something else entirely???
 
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