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OK, let me know if this just sounds like modified CIO or a totally lame idea that will never work. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nut.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nut"><br><br>
The situation: Andrea (6 mo) falls asleep in the evening around 9 or 10, and wakes around midnight. She nurses, then stays awake for another hour or two, and is usually very restless. She won't eat more, she just kind of squirms and whimpers and resists attempts to cuddle her. In between the 2 hours she might sleep for a minute or two a few times. After she gets to sleep, she wakes up every hour until about 8 am when she is up for the day. She naps twice a day, for about an hour each time.<br><br>
She really does seem hungry when she wakes up every hour. Dh sometimes tries changing her and rocking her back to sleep, but she just cries until I feed her. We usually co-sleep, but her sleeping patterns don't change if we have her stay in the crib or carseat.<br><br>
So I thought I could try to eliminate every other feeding. Then I could get solid two-hour blocks of sleep. I thought of letting dh go to her every other hour and stay with her for 10 minutes at a time trying to get her to sleep without eating. Maybe 10 minutes of holding and rocking, followed by another 10 minutes of alone-time, then another 10 minutes of rocking, and if she was still crying after that I'd feed her. Then the next time she woke I would just feed her, and then the next time dh would try his thing again.<br><br>
Of course, I don't know if dh will agree to this...he's been sleeping in a separate room so he doesn't have to deal with her.<br><br>
Any thoughts/suggestions?
 

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It sounds like she really needs those feedings. I'd see if you can wait it out for another month or two and see if things improve. She seems young to be eliminating feedings.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> though. That sounds tough.<br><br>
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IMO 6 months is way too young to deny breastfeeding. She's probably having a growth spurt and really does need to nurse that often. Or maybe you are having a supply drop - is it almost time for AF?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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30 minutes of crying!??!! yeah, I'd consider that CIO if nursing is all it would take to calm her down.
 

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Another thing I thought of is having dh give her a bottle of water, and then if she wasn't satisfied we would know for sure it was hunger.<br><br>
Last night dh took over all the feedings and she only woke every 3 hours! So maybe there is something different about the way he does things, or maybe she is starting to grow out of it already. She slept in the crib. Sometimes I wonder if I keep her awake, since I toss and turn so much that dh moved into another room long ago. But then sometimes being away from me doesn't seem to make a difference in Andrea's sleep...<br><br>
I would be happy with every 3 hours!
 

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My ds is 11 mos, and we have had hourly wakings on and off his whole life. Usually I can attribute them to teething pain, or an earache, or something. But a lot of times I can't figure out what it is. Just being a baby and needing his mom. And he may need/want to nurse even if he isn't hungry. Although I'd prefer that he just slept through, nursing him back to sleep while we cosleep is not so bad if he doesn't really wake up all the way, even when it is every hour. That 2 hrs of being awake sounds rough, though. Hope this passes soon for you guys.
 

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How many naps is she getting in a day? We had a similar situation at 6 mo and after a few painful weeks, we found that my DD was ready to go from 3 naps to 2 naps. As soon as we did that she went back to sleeping at night, waking for feedings, but not for "fun time".<br><br>
I also agree that on the surface it seems like CIO. But you are the one who knows your DD. I have an "uncuddly" baby, too, and know what you mean by resisting rocking/cuddling. I solved that issue by putting a futon on the floor and letting her fuss while I lay their with her. It makes it worse if I touch her, but I could never leave her alone, KWIM? Maybe that could work for you and DH.
 

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When you co-sleep, do you sleep-nurse as well? I have been co-sleeping and sleep-nursing since the beginning, and I have yet to lose a night's sleep.<br><br>
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She usually takes 2 naps a day, around an hour at a time. One sometime before noon, and one later in the afternoon around 3 or 4. I'd thought of trying to get her to stay awake in the afternoon, but I've heard that doesn't really do too much for nighttime.<br><br>
I'm not one of those people that can sleep while nursing. Andrea isn't mobile so she has to be moved over to me and latched on. She won't sleep on top of me, either.<br><br>
I talked to dh about things we can do and he says we should probably just wait it out, which may be the only thing we can do. He doesn't want to make himself stay awake for 10 extra minutes trying to rock her to sleep without food.<br><br>
Although, he took over all the feedings again last night, and said that she woke every two hours but didn't eat much at all. So it could be something else is waking her up.
 

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Just wondering, when your dh feeds dd, is it formula or breastmilk? Formula is known to take longer to digest, and that might be why she sleeps longer. Even if it's bm, she might drink more from a bottle than from the breast directly. Also, I don't know how often dh feeds her, and if you pump at those times, but if you don't, your supply might go down, and then she might not get as much milk at one nursing session. On the other hand too, like the pp said, she might be going through a growth spurt, or just want to be close to you/cuddle etc.<br>
My ds is 16 mo now, and we've gone through many times like those, but it always stops again (and we go back to every 2-3-4 hours), until the next time.. Unless you're really getting desperate, I would say your dd needs you, and I would try to stick it out. This too shall pass... (at some point)
 

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It's always bm when he feeds her. I've also thought of getting formula just for night use, but I thought it might irritate her stomach. So many ingredients she's not used to...<br><br>
I pump about 4 to 8 oz a day just to keep up a good supply in the freezer. I leak a little bit when I go all night without nursing, so I've probably still got a good supply. Who knows, maybe it's just time to give solids? I gave her a piece of bread not long ago but it caused problems; one day she was pooping every few minutes and I was running out of diapers! I tried giving her oatmeal thinned with milk but she didn't seem to like that. Maybe I will try banana or applesauce.<br><br>
Dh used to think it was the cloth diapers keeping her awake, but when we tried sposies she still woke up. But now I'm wondering if back then it was hunger and now it's just the wetness, so we're going to try 7th Generation tonight and see what happens... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/bag.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Bag">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">When you co-sleep, do you sleep-nurse as well? I have been co-sleeping and sleep-nursing since the beginning, and I have yet to lose a night's sleep.<br><br>
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I totally agree with sleep-nursing. I guess some women can't fall asleep though, while the baby is nursing. I sure as heck could. I have NO idea how much Joe nursed at night at six months. He may have gotten up & ate a ham sandwich for all I know! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mischievous.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="mischief"> Seriously, that would be the perfect solution I think.<br><br>
Keep us posted.
 

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Well, the sposie didn't work...she still got up every 2 hours, and it leaked! I did change it once, at 4 am, and by 8 am there was a huge wet spot on the bed. Glad to know that cloth is superior! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jammin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="jammin"><br><br>
Maybe it would be easier if she could crawl over and latch on.<br><br>
Has anyone used formula at night to help with sleep? Did it do anything?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, the sposie didn't work...she still got up every 2 hours, and it leaked! I did change it once, at 4 am, and by 8 am there was a huge wet spot on the bed. Glad to know that cloth is superior! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jammin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="jammin"><br><br>
Maybe it would be easier if she could crawl over and latch on.<br><br>
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Can you fall asleep after she's latched? laying on your side? This is what I do. We both fall asleep while he nurses and he'll pop off when's done. Sometimes I have to help him re-latch later but I'm only semi-awake then.<br><br>
Another thing to consider is gas or upset stomach. Are eating or drinking something that isn't agreeing with her?
 

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I've thought of the food-sensitivity, since she does a good deal of crying during the day, but I don't drink much milk and that is the usual bad-guy. I do like broccoli, though...
 

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Can you sleep on your side, basically with her in position so that she can latch on if she wakes up? That's what I do. Even if Savannah doesn't fall asleep nursing, I put her on her side (and me on my side facing her) with my nipple at her mouth level (often touching her.) Then I zonk out. That way if she wants it, it's right there. Now I do sleep freakishly still (always have) but maybe this could help you avoid one or two wakings?<br><br>
Good luck. It sounds tough.<br><br>
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That's something I could try; seeing if I can get used to the sensation of sleeping right next to someone. I usually need a lot of space around me, and that's part of the reason dh sleeps in another room - I decided our queen-size bed just wasn't big enough for the both of us. Sometimes we can manage if we both sleep at the very edges. But it would be a lot easier if she could sleep right next to me.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Try it. Somehow the baby right next to be is a LOT different than DH right next to me. When I sleep too hot I have horrid nightmares - and being in Houston, I'm often too hot. All too often I wake up in the middle of the night and have to ask poor DH to move over. ("I love you dear, I'm snuggly dear, but I'm melting.") But somehow the baby is different. She's only 4 months but quite good and manuvering enough to get latched on by herself <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> Quite the sleep saver. I really have no idea most mornings how much she's nursed until I check the state of the boobies.<br><br>
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I second trying to nurse on your side while sleeping. It takes me a little bit to fall asleep, but I doze on and off for a while when she's eating. I know I eventually fall asleep cause I never remember her unlatching. :LOL I also know that she'll feed herself because I'll wake up sticky (because I wasn't awake to cover my other breast with a rag). Give it a try. You might just be surprised. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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If your dd is only 6 mos old I would not skip feedings nor would I introduce formula, that is just asking for trouble.<br>
It can get really frustrating around 6 months b/c that is a long time to go with modified or no sleep. I remember being so frustrated.<br>
I would try nursing on your side, we bought a bed side gate so my son would not fall off. It helped ease my mind too.<br>
I would also try to stretch out the morning nap and possibly eliminate the afternoon nap.<br>
Maybe she is really hungry and needs some solids. My son didn't like the cereal so we started with bananas, which he loves!<br>
You may also want to read the No Cry Sleep Solution which givs some great advice on napping as well as sleeping at night, I think my son was about 8 months when I read it.<br>
Good luck to you
 

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I can relate about having difficulty sleep-nursing. I couldn't even get side-lying nursing down until my DD was about 6 months old. Now we still co-sleep (almost 18 months - my DD is very cuddly and has very high sucking needs) and I usally fall asleep after she's latched on if she wakes me by crying in the night. Sometimes I wake up with one breast exposed and wonder if I got it out of my sleep shirt or if babykins did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> Heehee.<br><br>
If you've been pumping every day, it sounds like you are dedicated to breastfeeding. I definitely would not cut out any feedings - it sounds like she needs them. And I would not introduce formula. I doubt it would help any and if your babe is having some stomach discomfort or gassiness why introduce a substitute for the ultimate comfort food?<br><br>
I wonder if maybe your little one is teething? The instructors at our baby classes at the hospital (a very progressive, baby-centric hospital) said that teething can cause pain for babies for up to 2 months before the teeth actually erupt. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!"><br><br>
I've definitely noticed this pattern with our DD. She got her first two teeth on the very same day at the ripe old age of 4 months. I know that when our baby is teething, she wants to nurse all the time - often hourly through the night.<br><br>
Just FYI, if it is teething, we have found that Hylands teething tablets work well for our DD. It's herbal and is in a lactose-based tablet form which dissolves almost instantly in the mouth. It doesn't work for everybody I've talked to, but it definitely helps us.<br><br>
If things don't change soon, or if you can't find a reason for your baby's discomfort, you may want to take her to see her doctor.<br><br>
In any case, I hope things improve for you soon and that you can get some sleep. It sounds like your DH is a pretty helpful guy. Maybe he can take care of baby for a few hours this weekend so you can get a good nap in? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/sleeping.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="sleeping"> I have found that after nights of sleeplessness, a decent nap of 3-5 hours can do me a world of good -- even if I do wake up with sore boobs!<br><br>
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