[drnmd1216]

that parents that are so adament that circumcision is the best choice for their baby

: should have to be present during the entire procedure! Browsing the birth boards, I always read about this...woman saying they could never watch their baby go through it (but they still have it done?) It doesn't make any sense to me at all???? Than maybe parents would see that maybe their child didn't actually sleep right through the entire procedure (and instead actually screamed himself into shock). I just don't get it at all...its so horrible that they don't want to put themselves through the suffering of watching it happen BUT they are all for putting their new baby through the procedure and feeling okay with that rationale? Augh, it makes me sick

 

[kldliam]

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its so horrible that they don't want to put themselves through the suffering of watching it happen BUT they are all for putting their new baby through the procedure and feeling okay with that rationale? Augh, it makes me sick

Yeah that's fair. I'll authorize you to be tortured dear son, while I hide in the closet from it.

Wacky parents!

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[snowbird25ca]

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that parents that are so adament that circumcision is the best choice for their baby should have to be present during the entire procedure! Browsing the birth boards, I always read about this...woman saying they could never watch their baby go through it (but they still have it done?) It doesn't make any sense to me at all???? Than maybe parents would see that maybe their child didn't actually sleep right through the entire procedure (and instead actually screamed himself into shock). I just don't get it at all...its so horrible that they don't want to put themselves through the suffering of watching it happen BUT they are all for putting their new baby through the procedure and feeling okay with that rationale? Augh, it makes me sick

Agree 100%!!!!

 

[Telle Bear]

I couldn't agree more.....

 

[Bm31]

Yes, no ethical doctor should do it unless the parents agree to be present. Then again, no ethical doctor should do it....period.

 

[PuppyFluffer]

I agree.

I also think that there should be a mandatory waiting period of about 4-6 weeks before which they won't perform RIC. I bet many parents would see their babies as real people with real needs and emotions and feelings and pain responses and reconsider RIC all together. I think the number of parents who would return to have it done would drop dramatically

 

[hazelnut316]

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Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer I agree. I also think that there should be a mandatory waiting period of about 4-6 weeks before which they won't perform RIC. I bet many parents would see their babies as real people with real needs and emotions and feelings and pain responses and reconsider RIC all together. I think the number of parents who would return to have it done would drop dramatically

That would be a wonderful idea!!! I also think they should have to watch the video and learn what is actually done to them. That is what made a difference for me. No one ever mentioned it in any birth class I took though. That is a huge injustice for babies.

 

[PuppyFluffer]

But doing all of these things to educate parents would encompass truly informed consent. I don't believe the medical profession (in general) is really interested in truly informing it's patients. It takes too long, it gives parents/patients more control over their health care and it could sway patients away from procedures which generate income. In general, I believe there is a superiority complex present with most physicians. If truly informed consent were granted, it would level the playing field and bring doctors on an even level with patients and I think many drs don't want that. I am guessing that part of the satisfaction of practicing medicine is getting compliance.

 

[treemom2]

I absolutely agree with both the making parents watch the circ and having the waiting period. Only thing I worry about are those parents who know what is going to happen and still feel it is the best thing for their child. For example, my MIL is a ped nurse. She had seen a lot of circs done--even assisted in doing them, but she still did it to her son. Funny thing is she is very against FGM--talk about a double standard. I really wish we could find some way to get the public to equate it with FGM then maybe there would be more backlash against it!

 

[MiamiMami]

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Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer I agree. I also think that there should be a mandatory waiting period of about 4-6 weeks before which they won't perform RIC. I bet many parents would see their babies as real people with real needs and emotions and feelings and pain responses and reconsider RIC all together. I think the number of parents who would return to have it done would drop dramatically

I think a waiting period would make a huge difference in the amount of circs. You are on to something there.

 

[hazelnut316]

Isn't this country still based on majority rules though? I know it could take a while, but it seems that if the majority want the change, it can and will happen. People can't just have their child's ears removed for cosmetic purposes, so why is a foreskin any different? They should have to have medical proof that it is needed before it can be done. I honestly don't think religion should matter either because you can incorporate anything into religion, so where would the line be drawn? Although, if I'm not mistaken, Jewish baby boys are done by someone other than the hospital. Is that right? I don't know how that could ever be stopped. I wish the insurance companies didn't cover it. I doubt people would be as likely to have it done then. I just don't understand how it's possible that we have to go through so many things just to board a plane, yet we can say the word and remove a part of a child. Makes no sense.

 

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

More and more insurance companies are stopping paying for it thank goodness. I hope in the next 5yrs there will be no insurance that will pay for RIC. But that means we have to work harder at getting the correct intact care out there to the masses so that circ dosnt become a major problem at 3,4,5yr old etc. for non retractability issues and yeast infections

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[kldliam]

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Puppy Fluffer: I am guessing that part of the satisfaction of practicing medicine is getting compliance.

Isn't that the dirty truth.

--> to the almighty MD

 

[PuppyFluffer]

I do think it's a pretty pervasive attitude in the medical profession and I wonder if it's even conscious.

 

[jarynsmom06]

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Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer I agree. I also think that there should be a mandatory waiting period of about 4-6 weeks before which they won't perform RIC. I bet many parents would see their babies as real people with real needs and emotions and feelings and pain responses and reconsider RIC all together. I think the number of parents who would return to have it done would drop dramatically

I so so so so so so wish this would happen because my son's penis would still be intact, unfortunatly I had him circ'd. I didn't have enough info nor did I research it enough, plus DP wanted it done and I was soooo tired from delivery. I think they baby should be at least 4 weeks old before they can have it done. Things would change for sure and I have heard that it really doesn't hurt the baby because their nerve endings aren't there until like 3 months or something..., so they couldn't say that would be too long to wait...yes I was dumb enough to believe it.

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: I want to cry right now thinking about the doing that to my precious little boy and I want to kick myself for not protecting him and letting it happen. I have been driving myself crazy over this for the past month...

 

[Jill0905]

I totally agree. DH wanted ds to be circumcised and told him that was fine IF he was going to be in the same room.

after that he decided against!!

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edited to say that ds WAS NOT going to get it done anyways. Was just testing dh

 

[coloradoalice]

Well, I may be in the minority here, but I don't think that being present or having a waiting period would always matter.

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Case in point, my sister and BIL. They see pain and crying as necessary for children and I really think they would say it's no big deal. They can let their daughter cry for whatever reason and they just tell her to shake it off (or scream it out, which ever suits them at the time).

You know, most people in the mainstream hit their kids, CIO, and are extremely detached. Showing that detachment in front of others is evidence of what a "strong" or "good" parent you are. Plus they would want to please the doctor by not showing "weakness". Because doctors are an "authority".

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Call me a cynic. Our society doesn't encourage comforting those that are in pain. Crying is a sign of weakness and should be ignored in order to be "cured". I think that most parents would see the baby crying, etc... and they would just believe the doctor. "The baby is just upset because of the straps". They believed the doctor to that point, why wouldn't they stay the course?

And besides, babies don't even feel pain til their 6 months old, right.

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[paminmi]

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Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer But doing all of these things to educate parents would encompass truly informed consent. I don't believe the medical profession (in general) is really interested in truly informing it's patients. It takes too long, it gives parents/patients more control over their health care and it could sway patients away from procedures which generate income.

ITA

 

[Arduinna]

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parents that are so adament that circumcision is the best choice for their baby should have to be present during the entire procedure

definately

 

[TigerTail]

I am not so certain that will do much but possibly save the next babies in line for some people... it may in fact just add to the callousness, forcing people to detach emotionally yet further from their infants in order to endure it.

(And frankly, holding my hand after you've signed me up for torture is small comfort-I'm not sure I'd want to associate the act subconsciously with my parents- let that await conscious knowledge when they are old enough to know what was done & who mandated it.)

The same people who think they 'have' to circ will just think they 'have' to watch it.

Now if you legislate that people must get a comparable chunk of their OWN genitals cut off (without anesthesia, or maybe a little Ambesol- because that's good enough, right?) before considering it, count me in.