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I have seen some people who think he is pro-choice when it comes to vaccines, but based on what I am seeing coming from him, I think that is far from the truth.

This site is owned by a Mothering member who has done some research into Dr. Carson's ties to a vaccine company:
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/profiles/blogs/cancer-vaccines-are-profitable-business

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/politics/measles-vaccines-ben-carson-immunization/

"Certain communicable diseases have been largely eradicated by immunization policies in this country and we should not allow those diseases to return by foregoing safe immunization programs, for philosophical, religious, or other reasons when we have the means to eradicate them."
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/231545-ben-carson-backs-vaccines
 

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I never knew of him being pro choice.
The SDA church updated their position (1-2 months ago) on being for vaccines.
I believe that is related to Ben running.
I know many SDA's that were all excited about him running who are now rethinking their position.
 

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I never knew of him being pro choice.
The above stuff was the first I read one way or the other. I am not sure why people were assuming he would be pro-choice on this issue.

The SDA church updated their position (1-2 months ago) on being for vaccines.
So... weird that they would promote vaccines containing animal ingredients considering they favor and advocate for vegetarian diets.
 

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Given advances in vaccine technology,and overall acceptance to receive them, it is often very profitable to invest and support these businesses.
 

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The above stuff was the first I read one way or the other. I am not sure why people were assuming he would be pro-choice on this issue.

So... weird that they would promote vaccines containing animal ingredients considering they favor and advocate for vegetarian diets.
More contrary to me..as well as highly hypocritical, is Dr Ben Carson is incredibly pro-life, and is a big supporter of crisis pregnancy centers. My OB, who is the medical director of the crisis pregnancy center in the city, had Dr Carson there at an event as keynote speaker..

However, the hypocrisy comes in when we are "pro-life on Sunday", and then Monday morning inject our babies, children and teens with aborted fetal cells. This 100% pro-life gal thinks he ought to either be ashamed of himself, or not be a hypocrite, and reject any use of aborted babies in our current infanticide complacent culture.
 

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Only related to mercury, never seen anything about aborted babies in vaccines.
Methodists are unlikely to have any problem with that aspect, based on their theology.

I hope I'm wrong, but.

Most religious groups are not going to come out with some "official statement". This is when it's important for one to check themselves against what they believe. For me, it's the Bible. I know I'm in alignment with my beliefs. I attend a church that teaches the Bible. I know how some people in my church come down, but as always, it should be a personal choice, and anyone forcing vaccination or supporting that, ought to examine their hearts, history and question why we would need to push something like this on our society.

Most young adults are historically ignorant, as well as ignorant of most facets of human health, illness, and nutrition, so it's no wonder they are prime followers of the medical establishment.
 

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More contrary to me..as well as highly hypocritical, is Dr Ben Carson is incredibly pro-life, and is a big supporter of crisis pregnancy centers. My OB, who is the medical director of the crisis pregnancy center in the city, had Dr Carson there at an event as keynote speaker..

However, the hypocrisy comes in when we are "pro-life on Saturday", and then Monday morning inject our babies, children and teens with aborted fetal cells. This 100% pro-life gal thinks he ought to either be ashamed of himself, or not be a hypocrite, and reject any use of aborted babies in our current infanticide complacent culture.
Fixed it for you...:wink:
 

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I never knew of him being pro choice.
The SDA church updated their position (1-2 months ago) on being for vaccines.
I believe that is related to Ben running.
I know many SDA's that were all excited about him running who are now rethinking their position.
I'm saddened by the fact that they changed their stance on vaccines. For those who are interested, SDA are part of the blue zone research that follows long living healthy people. The majority believes vaccines are unnecessary to health,but blue zone makes it seem like only vegetarian diet causes their good health.
http://www.bluezones.com/2014/03/loma-linda-exploration-backgrounds/

As far as Ben goes,he's a sellout and i agree,completely hypocritical. I'm so tired of half hearted pro lifers who deny any wrong doing for recommending the use of aborted fetal cell containing vaccines and shaming those who have a personal conviction not to use them.

In other news,focus on the family recently came out with a similar statement supporting all vaccines. As if moral complicity doesn't exist for those who are aware of the hypocrisy they're recommending. Appalling.
 

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In other news,focus on the family recently came out with a similar statement supporting all vaccines. As if moral complicity doesn't exist for those who are aware of the hypocrisy they're recommending. Appalling.
Yep! I believe it was @Turquesa who did a post about the Focus stance, and a wonderful response letter. I am appalled, as well.
 
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Ben Carson is most definitely for mandatory vaccinations. The last paragraph of this Washington Times article written by Carson makes it very clear that he does not believe parents should have a choice in the matter.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/ben-carson-vaccinations-are-for-the-good-of-everyo/

I am very much in favor of parental rights for certain types of things. I am in favor of you and I having the freedom to drive a car. But do we have a right to drive without wearing our seat belts? Do we have a right to text while we are driving? Studies have demonstrated that those are dangerous things to do, so it becomes a public safety issue. You have to be able to separate our rights versus the rights of the society in which we live, because we are all in this thing together.
Even if he had never voiced his stance on the issue, I wouldn't trust him because of his direct ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

http://www.vaccinogeninc.com/vaccinogen/board-of-directors/benjamin-s-carson-sr-md
 

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Even if he had never voiced his stance on the issue, I wouldn't trust him because of his direct ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

http://www.vaccinogeninc.com/vaccino...s-carson-sr-md
From this ^^ link...
Dr. Carson sits on the board of directors of numerous organizations, including Kellogg's, Costco Wholesale Corporation, the Academy of Achievement, and is an Emeritus Fellow of the Yale Corporation, the governing body of Yale University.
According to Reuter's
Dr. Benjamin S. Carson, Sr., M.D., is Independent Director of Costco Wholesale Corporation.
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/companyOfficers?symbol=COST.O

What in the world does a wholesale grocer need a neurosurgeon on their board of directors for??? And this information makes perfect sense of the recent Costco magazine's very pro-vaccine article.

Geez... this guy gets around - http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-ben-carson-homecentris-20150323-story.html
http://www.vaccinogeninc.com/vaccinogen/board-of-directors/benjamin-s-carson-sr-md
 

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Here's a little more about his ties to vaccines. Conflict of interest?...."naaa Drs don't do that. Right?Right?" Maybe if we tell that lie enough,we will believe it even in the face of such evidence to the contrary.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6598186
Ben Carson, a retired neurosurgeon and outspoken conservative, is the chairman of the board of a company called Vaccinogen, which is working to make a vaccine for colon cancer.
“I believe that Vaccinogen has developed the first truly personalized -- and potentially commercializable -- approach to combat cancer and that is why I’m joining the Board and accepting the role of Chairman,” Carson said in a 2013 statement.
He affirmed his belief in "safe" vaccinations on Monday night.
“Certain communicable diseases have been largely eradicated by immunization policies in this country and we should not allow those diseases to return by foregoing safe immunization programs, for philosophical, religious or other reasons when we have the means to eradicate them,” he said in a statement obtained by The Hill.
 

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It looks like Lindsey Graham should be a no-vote, too. http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/politics/measles-vaccines-lindsey-graham-rand-paul/index.html

Honestly, I don't think he's even considering vaccines. He's considering how to slay a presidential opponent. He'll say whatever it takes to please the right people and slander the wrong ones.

Politicians who do this--like those who flip-flop on issues (er, cough, I mean, "evolve")--cannot be trusted, though, and are dangerous to our rights. Good thing I never cared for the guy. :shrug
 

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The last time i checked, Rand Paul was the only one confident enough come out and say it's a medical decision for the parents to make with their dr,not for the government to decide. People like to say that's just his libertarian side speaking,but what's wrong with that? It wasn't too long ago that it was acceptable for Americans to decide what medical procedures were right for their families. I despise how the media is spinning this as if medical freedom is somehow not a choice an average person can make because they don't have a phd.

There was a pediatrician on Jeopardy today,who failed the entire anatomy category with wrong guesses. She even made a comment about vaccines. Sarcasm:But i guess she only failed in anatomy, she still needs to be trusted with children....MSM needs to stop painting Drs as infallible and god-like and parents as dumb brutes not worthy of individual thought. That type of stereotyping should cause more uproar than it does.

Bottom line,medical decisions should never be in the hands of the government.
 
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