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@applejuice can explain the history of exemptions in Wisconsin, where a woman's child had an adverse reaction, and she successfully lobbied for non-medical exemptions. I suspect that Wisconsin is not unique in having its vaccine policies influenced by concerns for choice and safety.
Good example. Pan and others are very busy re-writing the actual history of vaccines, diseases and exemptions in the US and probably in other countries too. With an abject news media, they've got a free hand, alas.
 

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Moving on to the second paragraph.
Pan begins with the claim that parents no longer have experience with "these diseases". Again, this is quite vague. Many parents experienced chickenpox first hand. Most parents have parents or grandparents they can talk to about measles or mumps. I'm going to mention polio because it is a curious story for many reasons. The vaccine was not, originally, mandated. Parents actually wanted their children to get the vaccine because they were terrified of the disease. But cheer up, Pan! Parents are still terrified of polio. The propaganda has been successful, even though it is a long time since there was a polio epidemic in the US. Oddly, there are still a lot of children and adults in wheelchairs and there was even a recent outbreak of acute flaccid paralysis, but none of that is polio, so paralysis is sort of okay, well not really, but until there is a vaccine, none of that stuff is worth worrying about in a paranoid sort of way.

I digress, sorry. Anyway, the entire second sentence of the paragraph makes the ridiculous claim that the entire problem of increasing non-medical exemptions is due to evil alternative health people who profit by selling vitamins and therefore spread scary anti-vaccine propaganda.

so hey, all those parents who keep talking about vaccine injury don't really exist. They are faked in some way by the all powerful anti-vaccine lobby who are amazingly good at using social media to make it look as though there is a grass-roots anti-vaccine movement, but there isn't any such thing. At least Dr. Pan says there isn't any such thing.

I guess that eliminates those forged vaccine records in Alabama. For regular parents to be doing stuff like that they would have to exist, and Pan says they don't exactly exist. There is something quite muddled about this argument. Sigh.

I'll move on to paragraph 3 tomorrow.
 

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For Turquesa, #15 .

Marge Grant, author of A Stolen Life
... The Quadrigen shot was removed from the market by the end of the 1960s because of the damage it did. https://books.google.com/books?id=m7gaeXC-aTgC&pg=PA782&lpg=PA782&dq=quadrigen&source=bl&ots=Dow5NaZNVS&sig=qdwylCccCTp9cjiCVDYrLdYR4xs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicrbTcjZrYAhVSxmMKHWhBB5sQ6AEIRjAE#v=onepage&q=quadrigen&f=false ... Marge Grant says in her book that it was a doctor at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota that told her that her son's condition was caused by a vaccine reaction. Marge Grant lost her case in court, but she went to Madison, WS with her son and pushed the state legislature to incorporate a personal exemption into the state law and to require all doctors to record the lot, batch and manufacturer of each vaccine given which was one of many reasons she lost her case.

Scott's father is dead, and I do not know if Marge is alive. Scott had one older brother. These drugs involve terrible changes to people's lives.

And if one watches that video - one should know that while everyone is blaming the pertussis component of the DPT shot, that the medical community knew that the pertussis vaccine was neurologically toxic in its own literature since 1947. While the doctors on that show said that we need a better pertussis vaccine, one should know that the nation of Japan had used the aP shot since 1971 and its infant mortality rate plummeted at the same time; Japan also delayed all infant vaccinations until after age two years! The US did not begin to use the aP until 1996.
 

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I am going to go back to the first paragraph, specifically this:

To achieve the political will to pass those vaccination laws, legislatures also included nonmedical exemptions, which initially were rarely used by parents because most understood the dangers of vaccine-preventable diseases, such as polio and measles.

It is implied that more people in the past vaccinated than now. This is simply untrue.

Take a look at the vaccine coverage in the early to mid 90's - it is quite a bit lower than now:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00048503.htm

There are a lot of cool graphs in here, and every last one of them shows vaccination rates now are higher than in the past (data from 1980 onward).
https://www.unicef.org/immunization/files/Global_immunization_coverage.pdf
 

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It is implied that more people in the past vaccinated than now. This is simply untrue.

Take a look at the vaccine coverage in the early to mid 90's - it is quite a bit lower than now:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00048503.htm

There are a lot of cool graphs in here, and every last one of them shows vaccination rates now are higher than in the past (data from 1980 onward).
https://www.unicef.org/immunization/files/Global_immunization_coverage.pdf
emphasis mine

Thanks for bringing that up Kathymuggle. It is often overlooked and yet it is so important for context.
 

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Thanks @kathymuggle for highlighting the lies about vaccination rate declines.

Moving on to the third paragraph...

The very first sentence makes a false claim by talking about "concerned policymakers" a vague phrase that could mean legislators, or state health departments or the CDC, but probably really means vaccine manufacturers working with the CDC.

Pan moves on to the claim that attempts to stem the "erosion of community immunity" through various laws involving barriers to exemption access and educational harassment have failed. Due, of course, to the overwhelming power of the anti-vaccine movement! Who knew that we had such powers? Pan then claims that what is really needed is tougher laws. To protect children. I'm distorting a bit here. Pan's prose is so bad that I just can't resist messing with it. You are all free to read the third paragraph and offer your own version.
 
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Just this year in Minnesota, antivaccine groups targeted a community, causing a significant drop in vaccination rates.8
Pan furthers the racist drivel about how Somali Africans clearly can't think for themselves; they can only make decisions when they're "targeted" victims.

In California, AB2109, which reduced nonmedical exemptions for the first time in over a decade from 3.15% to 2.5% in 1 year, did not restore community immunity.
Either he's discussing a ridiculously high herd immunity threshold, or he's forgetting about homeless children, medically exempt children, and, um, adults.
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The 2015 measles outbreak, beginning at Disneyland, spread across California and the country, reminding the public they were no longer safe from measles.
Wow. So that outbreak had nothing to do with school vaccination rates? Whodduthunk?
 
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Paragraph 4 makes the claim that new laws in Washington State and in California which required that parents receiving "counseling" before they could get access to exemptions failed. Given that the law in California was only there for one year before it was declared a failure, I think that Pan jumped the gun.
 

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However, vaccine hesitancy resumed increasing after implementation of the law.
I wonder what percentage of the increase was attributable to doctors becoming vaccine-hesitant after being schooled by the parents they brought in to lecture? :grin:
 

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FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE: The author has indicated he has no financial relationships relevant to this article to disclose.FUNDING: No external funding.

NOT TRUE! - http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html
 
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This pediatrician is using data from Dr. Pan to justify more laws like California's draconian attack on parental choice. http://www.aappublications.org/news...ne-Exemptions-Really-Work-Pediatrics-12-24-17

We asked California State Senator and pediatrician Dr. Richard Pan (10.1542/peds.2017-3449) to comment on this study, given the exemption legislation in his own state that he helped pass. Dr. Pan notes that the initial great results from the Washington bill has begun to lose ground in yearly data now available that were not included in the Omer et al. study and that in Washington, despite their legislation, vaccine hesitancy rates have begun to increase again back to where they were before the legislation was passed. In California, however, Dr. Pan helped pass legislation that simply did away with all philosophical and religious exemptions, allowing none to be used by patients, with even better results than achieved in Washington. Dr. Pan offers suggestions of what each of us can do with or without state legislation to reduce the spread of vaccine hesitancy. He makes some sharp points about why vaccination is not an option but a requirement if we are going to keep children healthy and eradicate serious illness. Inject some time into reading this study and commentary and then sharing the findings with your patients and just as importantly your local legislators.
 

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This is an amazing thread with a lot of good content.
 
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