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<b>Did you select this vaccine? Why? If so, when did you have it administered? Why? If you chose not to do this vaccine, why not?</b><br><br>
Both DH and I were fully vaxed as infants/children, thanks to parents who simply "did what they were told." DH has since had further vax's/boosters due to being a paramedic/unwillingness to do research/doesn't want to "waste" time argueing over not getting something.<br><br>
Originally I was totally against vaccinating, but as I read about the infections, I'm changing my mind on some of them, especially as I find out that some of the vaccines dont prevent you from getting it, just from the symptoms, and you can still spread it.<br><br>
The DTaP vaccine is the only vaccine that DH is really pushing. I told him some of the more severe side effects of the vaccine and said he did get a headache and a swollen arm after his last one a couple years ago. I flat said I wasn't doing it.<br><br>
I'm now doing some more indepth research, and have decided that D & T would probably be a good idea, but I see no reason for the P. Unfortunately it seems it is either all or none, and the most severe side effects are from the D.<br><br><b>THANKS!!!!</b>
 

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We'll be getting it done, probably three shots, spaced out, after age two. Tetanus makes me nervous. So does pertussis, but it doesn't look like the vax prevents it well enough to be worth the side effect risk. You can get just a DT after a certain age, and we may or may not do that. From what I've heard the worst effects are usually from the pertussis component? I've also heard that there's a tetanus-only vaccine, but I think it has thimerosal. We'll look more closely into the different types and brands when the time comes.<br><br>
Now my first son did get four doses of DTaP before I learned more, and he didn't have bad side effects.<br><br>
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Yes we did. For us it was the one vax we felt was the most important for a few reasons.<br><br>
1.) we have tons of rusty nails in our back yard (that we are trying to get rid of) because of taking out a deep chunks of wood (from a retaining wall) and i'm scared of Tetnus (yes it's "hard" to get but if you do it gets bad quick)<br><br>
2.) because even though the pertusis part is the least effective vax it AT LEAST makes the case of whooping cough LESS terrible than if you got it unvaxed.<br><br>
3.) We gave him the first dose alone without any other vaxes so we could watch for a reaction (if he had one we would stop...like we did after he got the pneumoccocal one). Not only did he NOT have a reacton...he didn't even cry or seem to notice! lol<br><br>
4.) we researched the brands and felt that Daptacel was the best one (least amount of aluminum and no thimerisol.<br><br>
Not really worried about diptheria but it came with the package (and if it was a possible threat it is a pretty nasty thing to get so i guess it's an added bonus lol)<br><br>
those were all our reasons and DS has had 3 doses so far (he's 2.5) and I think we spaced them out like more than 4 months each...
 

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No.<br><br>
Diphteria is no longer an issue in the United States, or most of the world. It's big in Russia, apparently. It's spread through contaminated water and close living conditions. I found out what the symptoms of diphtheria are, and now I know what to do in the extremely unlikely event that my son gets it.<br><br>
Tetanus bacteria is anaerobic. They cannot live in air. Rust has nothing to do with it. To get tetanus, a person needs to cut themselves, deeply, on an item that is buried in soil or feces. Scratching yourself on a nail? Not gonna get tetanus. If you read the CDC pink book on tetanus, you'll find that the vaccine has never been tested for efficacy.<br><br>
The pertussis vaccine really doesn't work all that well. I think a high estimate was 80%. Pertussis isn't generally serious in people over the age of 6 months.<br><br>
Hope this helps!
 

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this was one that i chose. my dd is just over 2 and we'll probably get it done sometime before she's 3.<br><br>
diphtheria- scares the bejeezus out of me and i feel quite sure that i am incapable of handling it at home. the resurgence in russia following a lack of vaccination also makes me cautious about the ramifications of skipping this one.<br><br>
tetanus- not quite as worried about this one but it's not very reactive and i'd much rather have the protection than not.<br><br>
pertussis- not terribly impressed with the effectiveness of the vax but i'd much prefer a disease of shorter duration that is not as painful for my child if my child were to catch it.<br><br>
the only vaxes i'll be doing for sure are the dtap, mmr, hep b and possibly a depending on travel (when older) and probably polio. i skipped the prevnar, hib, and chicken pox. my 2 yo dd is still unvaxed as i'm waiting until she gets a bit older. just so you have an idea of my vax leanings.
 

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DS2 is coming up on his first DTaP. I don't want to do it, but I will for the P. I don't get why everyone says it's ineffective. My understanding is it doesn't prevent transmission but prevents the toxin that causes paralysis of the cilia, which is what causes the bad side effects. It's BECAUSE the vax doesn't stop the spread of P that I want DS2 to get it - his older brother is out there mixing it up, and any of us could bring it home. He needs the protection from the TOXIN, not the disease, which is what the vax does.<br><br>
Is there something wrong with my logic here? If you can convince me, I'd love an excuse not to do this vax.
 

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gcgirl...from my understanding, the vaccine itself will not prevent creation of the toxin which results from the colonization of the bacteria.<br><br><a href="http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/pertussis.html" target="_blank">http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/pertussis.html</a><br><br>
There are quite a few studies out there that suggest that vaccinated children do have a "milder" course of the illness, but even clinical outcomes of fully vaccinated children with pertussis indicate that they were still affected...<br><br><a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2334/5/40/#B21" target="_blank">http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2334/5/40/#B21</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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One of the ways to manage the toxin is to administer sodium ascorbate as soon as the child begins coughing. There's a few threads in the archives about it. That's what we did here when my 23 month old had pertussis and once his dosage was correct, it made a huge difference in the course of the illness.<br><br>
Whatever you choose to do is obviously up to you, but I would be cautious in getting the vaccine thinking that it will prevent the accumulation of toxins during infection and acute illness. If fully recently vaccinated children are colonized by pertussis bacteria (<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no5/pdf/srugo.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no5/pdf/srugo.pdf</a>) and these bacteria are capable of creating the toxin, then relying on the vaccine alone as a means of mitigating the toxin is problematic.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">One of the ways to manage the toxin is to administer sodium ascorbate as soon as the child begins coughing. There's a few threads in the archives about it. That's what we did here when my 23 month old had pertussis and once his dosage was correct, it made a huge difference in the course of the illness.</div>
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Thanks for the info. I'm pretty sure the info about the toxin was from the CDC's pink book, which probably hasn't been updated. I'd still rather my INFANT got a milder case, if he were to get it at all. I'm still on the fence. I hate this.<br><br>
I have to say, totally off topic, that I am skeptical of claims that SA can help anything. I have been trying SA with no luck for a variety of illnesses. Folks on here seem to tout it as a cure-all, but that hasn't been my experience. Anyhow, thanks again.
 

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I wouldn't say it's a cure all, but some scientists have written extensively on the use of vitamin C with toxin mediated illnesses. Hilary Butler has some links on her site.<br><br>
Personally, I did find a huge difference. My son was whooping, puking, the whole nine yards. I started the SA right after the first paroxysmal fit and whoop. It took about three days at bowel tolerance (how much fun was changing diapers in my house!) and by then the whooping subsided. Within another day or so, we were all able to get some sleep (and this was from a kid who was paroxysmal coughing every few minutes all night the first few nights). So, for us, it did what it was supposed to. I wouldn't believe it either unless I experienced it firsthand. His coughing gradually lessened and within 3 weeks, he had basically recovered.<br><br>
My husband on the other hand, who brought the pertussis home, did not do any SA (usual guy reasons, couldn't be bothered, kept forgetting etc.) His coughing lasted about double the time of my son's and his paroxysmal episodes at night were worse.<br><br>
Pertussis is a tough one for many parents. The vaccine does not prevent transmission nor infection (for many individuals). I do see that according to the studies, there is some evidence of vaccinated children having a "milder" course of the disease. That said, one of those studies (the Lithuanian I believe) pointed out that it's unvaccinated children who get the more "typical" clinical symptoms (including the whoop) while vaccinated children can have more atypical symptoms. It's problematic for containment if vaccinated children who are thought to just have a lingering cough are spreading it to others. In our case, I knew from the first whoop what we were dealing with and could quarantine our little guy appropriately.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">No.<br><br>
Diphteria is no longer an issue in the United States, or most of the world. It's big in Russia, apparently. It's spread through contaminated water and close living conditions. I found out what the symptoms of diphtheria are, and now I know what to do in the extremely unlikely event that my son gets it.<br><br>
Tetanus bacteria is anaerobic. They cannot live in air. Rust has nothing to do with it. To get tetanus, a person needs to cut themselves, deeply, on an item that is buried in soil or feces. Scratching yourself on a nail? Not gonna get tetanus. If you read the CDC pink book on tetanus, you'll find that the vaccine has never been tested for efficacy.<br><br>
The pertussis vaccine really doesn't work all that well. I think a high estimate was 80%. Pertussis isn't generally serious in people over the age of 6 months.<br><br>
Hope this helps!</div>
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ALL OF THIS. Times 100. Go to childhoodshots.com. Mary Tocco is awsome.
 

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One of the ways to manage the toxin is to administer sodium ascorbate as soon as the child begins coughing. There's a few threads in the archives about it. That's what we did here when my 23 month old had pertussis and once his dosage was correct, it made a huge difference in the course of the illness.<br></div>
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would you mind sharing your dosage? how many lbs and how much? I know you mentioned til bowel tolerance (diarrhea right?)<br><br>
any links or sources for this?
 

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DTaP was the first vax I had to get comfortable with *not*giving. I am allergic/reactive to tetanus toxoid. As was my grandmother. I did not consider it an acceptable risk to give my kids any tetanus toxoid containing vaxes, so that's where I started.<br><br>
I found no reason at all to vax for diphtheria. Cases seem to be basically non-existent, meaning it's either not around or it's too mild to diagnose.<br><br>
Tetanus is rare and always has been and even rarer in children. A little research showed that they don't even know that the vax is effective- it's assumed to be effective. Should tetanus become a concern, it is treatable.<br><br>
Pertussis- the vax is highly ineffective.<br><br>
-Angela
 
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