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sorry this is long, but I'm desperate!<br><br>
DS had really severe eczema as an infant (being exclusively BF) & after doing allergy testing and restricting my diet, it improved. After 5 months of clear skin, it's back and now getting worse! I initially thought it was corn b/c the rash popped up after 4 days of eating cereal with corn in it, but now it's been 2 weeks of no corn, and it's getting worse!!!<br><br>
soo, this is why I think it's my fault. I started eating cheese again in July under advice of allergist b/c at that time we weren't totally sure he was allergic to dairy. (he did another skin test in august & he's still allergic to dairy, peanuts & eggs). allergist said to keep eating dairy if he wasn't reacting, which he wasn't until now!!<br><br>
could it be that it has just taken this long for him to finally react to the dairy? or could it be something else I've given him? he has tested negative for wheat (2x skin test and blood test) and eaten it for at least 2 months.<br>
I am going back to my restrictive diet, but this is so heartbreaking and I hate just not knowing what he's reacting to. My other big concern is that since he sleeps in bed and night nurses every 2 hours or so, is this frequent nursing (he cries in his sleep & gets on boob then stops) a sign of tummy irritation from the allergen, whatever it may be? his butt is red but no green poops or diarrhea...
 

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If it's food intolerances, then it's not going to show up on a skin test anyway. And if there are digestive issues (red butt, frequent waking, etc.) then I'd say it's a food that he's reacting to. It could be the dairy. I mean, you can always take it out for 2 weeks and see if it gets better. But if it doesn't, then you're going to have to figure it out through journaling or elimination....
 

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mine are all on feingold (lots of restrictions) BUT we discovered after 6-9 months of on again off again eczema and diaper rash that my 2 yr old is allergic to yeast! she cannot eat anything with yeast or she gets a patch the size of a quarter on her hip, cheek and a bubbly nasty rash on her bum.<br>
have you tried eliminating yeast?
 

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I was afraid of hearing all this b/c we thought we were in the clear, but I guess I will have to start journaling & elimination again <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Just when we thought things were getting easier... so, is yeast in all wheat products? I think that's the 1st thing I'll eliminate from his diet. other than that, all he eats is chicken, veg, fruits, and cascadian farm purely o's which do have wheat <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> (the other challenge is he;s anemic so it's really hard to find iron for him).<br><br>
For me, I"ll guess it's no dairy again. i have never restricted wheat in my diet. do I really need to do that? (there were 5 months of no eczema, no butt redness, but always frequent night waking, I think b/c he sleeps next to me) he did sleep one night in a different room from me & woke up only 2x.
 

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no-yeast is not in all wheat products. tortillas, crackers etc mostly do not have yeast. just read the labels.<br>
check <a href="http://womenshealth.suite101.com/article.cfm/yeast_free_diets_made_easy" target="_blank">this</a> out.<br>
hth!<br>
all my best<br>
more links:<br><a href="http://www.theyeastdiet.com/yeast-free-diet.html" target="_blank">http://www.theyeastdiet.com/yeast-free-diet.html</a>
 

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have you tried other proteins for him? If he's anemic, are you doing iron rich vegetables? My kids love the fatty stuff -- bacon, sausage, hash, etc. Ground beef can be made into mini meatballs and you can have it in sauce or soup or just as finger food<br><br>
Every mother here is answering based on what their own kid has issues with (me included - corn). Every kid is individual and just taking foods out willy nilly because some other kids has the issue isn't the most scientific method. Do the food journal. Or take out the top 8.<br><br>
If he does sleep better on his own though, can he sleep in the same room but separately so that you get a better handle on his sleep patterns and how food is affecting them? when I let them sleep with me, all the wakenings blur together. When they're in their own room, I can keep better track of how much they're waking and if it's a drink they want or if they just want a little consoling and go back to sleep. Drinking frequently soothes the stomach, so that was a big symptom of my kids.
 

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this is true.<br>
fwiw- my conclusion was based on my doctor (Osteopath) who deals with children and allergies. I trust her opinion because her diagnoses have been 90% accurate.<br><br>
It can be super challenging doing an elimination diet. And from what I read about yeast-free diets, it also means sweet-free. Big bummer.<br><br>
I think a journal is a good idea. I would eliminate 1 thing at a time over a 2 week period and record any remaining reaction. Going at that pace might be a bit easier on you.<br>
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eta- my post sounded defensive- no disrespect meant- feeling super menstrual today- sorry
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">have you tried other proteins for him? If he's anemic, are you doing iron rich vegetables? My kids love the fatty stuff -- bacon, sausage, hash, etc. Ground beef can be made into mini meatballs and you can have it in sauce or soup or just as finger food<br><br><br>
If he does sleep better on his own though, can he sleep in the same room but separately so that you get a better handle on his sleep patterns and how food is affecting them? when I let them sleep with me, all the wakenings blur together. When they're in their own room, I can keep better track of how much they're waking and if it's a drink they want or if they just want a little consoling and go back to sleep. Drinking frequently soothes the stomach, so that was a big symptom of my kids.</div>
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He usually eats chicken b/c I make it up in the crockpot and then freeze it in individual portions for the week. He also likes turkey burgers. Otherwise, no other meats. The dietician recommends lamb b/c low allergenicity but I don't know how to cook it. I know that sounds dumb, but I work full time & commute & there is no time to meal plan, which is why I also feel soo guilty about this situation <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> anyways, is pork okay to give an allergic baby? b/c then I could do a pork loin in the crockpot (I like making big batches, then freezing, much easier for me). what about beef? risky for allergic baby?<br><br>
this is part of my frustration/guilt. He's pretty much on boob all night long, and lately he's actually wanting to be on top of me. It used to be that he would just stir and start nursing, but ever since we try giving more iron, he's actually crying and stirring. Maybe we'll try the air mattress thing again...
 

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I don't know how to cook lamb either. I've tried 3 or 4 times and to me, it tastes tough and disgusting. So I'm no help there. Check out the update of my food intolerance survey and maybe that will give you some ideas?
 

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Just got off the phone with the allergist who doubts it's wheat (he's been doing pasta, etc for about 6 weeks, had negative skin tests & blood test), corn (since the eczema is worse and it's been 2 weeks no corn), or me doing dairy again (b/c he was clear for months while I was doing dairy).<br><br>
He also said that since the butt rash isn't daily that it's probably not GI upset. he didn't have an answer for the frequent night nursing, but wants to see us for another visit, ie, more skin testing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
so what the heck do I do now? I don't believe he has all the answers, so I'm thinking I need to stop dairy. I don't really want to take wheat away from DS b/c he's anemic & I want him to continue with the purely o's (he snacks on them all day) and he loves his pasta (he likes the brown rice pasta ok, but LOVES the white pasta). honestly I don't really believe he's reacting to something I'm eating, b/c again, I haven't added anything new and he was clear for months!!! (although he has always night nursed - could he have been intolerant/reacting with frequent night nursing even with clear skin???)
 

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my dd eats white and wheat pasta. She can't have yeast. They are different. Wheat is okay- just not mixed with yeast- meaning for it to rise (rolls, bread etc.)No need to drop the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">wheat</span>.<br>
kwim?<br>
I am sorry that you are stressed out about this.<br>
Reactions sometimes take 48 hrs to appear, sometimes sooner. as far as poop- depends on the combination of foods.
 

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okay, one more thing to add on to my previous post -<br><br>
if DS does have intolerance to wheat or corn (or my dairy consumption) wouldn't it have shown up within 48 hours of him ingesting it? and wouldn't he have diarrhea or funny looking poops? if you have intolerance, do you get eczema?? cuz i'm thinking that DS is not intolerant, that it's allergy. Allergist also said (and don't you hate this) that his eczema recurrence could be for unknown reasons or environmental (dry air, dust, etc). <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead">
 

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Eczema can be environmental.<br>
Here's my history for what it's worth:<br>
My DS has ragweed allergy, all others are intolerances. He has NEVER had eczema. He has NEVER had strange poops (no blood, no mucous, no strange colors, etc.). He has had over the years (at different times, to different foods) - projectile vomiting, frequent night waking (10-12x per night), leg cramps, rash around his mouth, odd non-itchy red butt, bedwetting, temper tantrums.<br>
My DD has food intolerances. She had blood in her poop twice, while she was on amoxicillan which she turned out allergic to. Otherwise, there's been nothing wrong with her poop. She gets eczema only from corn. She gets frequent night waking, wants to drink all the time to soothe stomach, crabbiness.<br>
Milk is the #1 food <i>intolerance</i>.<br>
You can become intolerant to any food at any time.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Eczema can be environmental.<br>
Here's my history for what it's worth:<br>
My DS has ragweed allergy, all others are intolerances. He has NEVER had eczema. He has NEVER had strange poops (no blood, no mucous, no strange colors, etc.). He has had over the years (at different times, to different foods) - projectile vomiting, frequent night waking (10-12x per night), leg cramps, rash around his mouth, odd non-itchy red butt, bedwetting, temper tantrums.<br>
My DD has food intolerances. She had blood in her poop twice, while she was on amoxicillan which she turned out allergic to. Otherwise, there's been nothing wrong with her poop. She gets eczema only from corn. She gets frequent night waking, wants to drink all the time to soothe stomach, crabbiness.<br>
Milk is the #1 food <i>intolerance</i>.<br>
You can become intolerant to any food at any time.</div>
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hmm, I don't think my DS has had symptoms as bad as described above - but sometimes I wish he were old enough to tell me in the middle of the night if he's nursing b/c his tummy hurts?! like this am, he woke up and immediately passed gas! which could explain maybe why he was wanting to be tummy to tummy nursing all night?! I thought it was bad enough dealing with allergies, eczema, but maybe he really does have intolerances. Is there any way to determine what they are? or do I just have to go back to the drawing board (food diary & restrictions, restrictions)?
 

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If your son is allergic to dairy, eliminate it. I really don't understand why the allergist would say otherwise. He's reacting to something. You're eating something he's known to be allergic to. I know our allergist wouldn't even question if I needed to remove it; it would be a given.<br><br>
It can take a few months to build back up in his system. One of our allergists has pointed out that eczema is very often an outer symptom of an inner problem. So, even before the eczema showed up, it could have been attacking his gut, because even IgE-mediated allergies can impact a child's gut.<br><br>
I wouldn't say it was yeast at this point because he was clear, and because, yes, Amy, your doctor dxed that based on your individual child so the information you have is for your child. Kids have the same symptoms for any number of different allergies. That's why the journaling is so important. You can't dx a specific allergy because of a specific reaction. It would be something to consider if all the known problematic foods were removed for several weeks and there's still a problem.<br><br>
The other thing is that something might have triggered the eczema (like corn) and the presence of dairy--which is a known allergy--could now be exasberating the problem.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If your son is allergic to dairy, eliminate it. I really don't understand why the allergist would say otherwise. He's reacting to something. You're eating something he's known to be allergic to. I know our allergist wouldn't even question if I needed to remove it; it would be a given.<br><br>
It can take a few months to build back up in his system. One of our allergists has pointed out that eczema is very often an outer symptom of an inner problem. So, even before the eczema showed up, it could have been attacking his gut, because even IgE-mediated allergies can impact a child's gut.<br><br>
I wouldn't say it was yeast at this point because he was clear, and because, yes, Amy, your doctor dxed that based on your individual child so the information you have is for your child. Kids have the same symptoms for any number of different allergies. That's why the journaling is so important. You can't dx a specific allergy because of a specific reaction. It would be something to consider if all the known problematic foods were removed for several weeks and there's still a problem.<br><br>
The other thing is that something might have triggered the eczema (like corn) and the presence of dairy--which is a known allergy--could now be exasberating the problem.</div>
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I think this makes a whole lot of sense! I have always been a little nervous that my dairy consumption was affecting his gut (despite clear skin) but didn't really have any conclusive evidence, until the last 2 weeks and hearing that other mamas say frequent night nursing could mean upset tummy.<br><br>
It's a long story about why the allergist said to try dairy. Way back, his 1st skin test was only slightly positive for dairy (his eczema was horrible even after I was dairy free for months, so he thought it was the eggs I was eating or the nuts, so after I stopped those things, he was free & clear. After he was 5 months of being clear, he said try dairy and see what happens b/c he <i>at that time</i> did not think he was allergic to dairy. We repeated skin testing in August (after 6 weeks of me eating dairy & him being clear) and it showed he was indeed allergic to dairy. He said to keep up the dairy b/c if he wasn't reacting to it, there were 3 options. It could be that the dairy is going through the BM but not affecting him, or that the dairy was actually not going through the BM (his opinion, I guess some moms don't always excrete it, he says), or that he was actually outgrowing it. He said that since he wasn't reacting, me continuing with it may actually <i>help</i> him outgrow it. so that's why I kept with the dairy even though his skin test was +. of course, now that he has eczema again, I am not so sure. Today, he said he still doesn't think it's the dairy.<br><br>
so we're at square one. To make myself feel better, I'm going dairy free again (it was so nice to eat cheese again <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> ) and doing another food log. but honestly I don't know what else it could be b/c he eats the same things day in & out, chicken, pasta, fruits & veg, purely o's and healthy times cookies (contains wheat, molasses, nothing bad I don't think), oatmeal cereal & homemade chicken soup. and I have not changed my eating. soo frustrating!!<br><br>
By the way, he has not had any yeast at all (only purely o's cereal & pasta, no breads, rolls, etc)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know how to cook lamb either. I've tried 3 or 4 times and to me, it tastes tough and disgusting. So I'm no help there. Check out the update of my food intolerance survey and maybe that will give you some ideas?</div>
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I'm all admiration about your wonderful expertise in cooking, so I did a double take when I read that there is something that I can actually answer.<br><br>
I can actually cook lamb, and I learned it the expensive way, by trial and error. There are three ways I know of.<br><br>
1. Braising it. I got a recipe from the cookbook that is published by Cook's magazine. They have a very nice braising liquid involving tomato paste and red wine and spices, but the jist is that you submerge seared lamb shanks in tasty braising liquid in a deep baking pan. (Several times I was too lazy to sear the lamb, and it came out fine, although I had to skim the excess grease off of the gravy after cooking.) Cover the baking pan with an air tight lid to prevent liquid from steaming out of the pan. (I just used aluminum foil and creased it to a seal.) Pop into an oven at very low heat (maybe 250degrees or 275 degrees? possibly as high as 300 degrees?) Cook a long time. Maybe 1.5 hours or 3 hours? Until meat is tender and almost but doesn't quite fall of the bone. It's not only tender, but juicy, but you have to use the shank portion of the lamb.<br><br>
2. Crock pot. I asked the butcher to take a leg of lamb and cut it into two pieces, the shank and the roast. The roast I popped into a crock pot and seasoned it with whatever. I don't think I added any liquid, but if I did, it couldn't have been more than a quarter cup. Then cooked on high for a long time. Don't remember for how long or for how many hours. Just kept checking it with a meat thermometer, until it was medium rare. I would tell you what internal temperature I cooked the lamb to, except that I can't remember and I'm pretty sure that my thermometer is not accurate anyway. But anyway, that is the basic method, and it makes tender juicy lamb.<br><br>
3. How about shepard's pie using ground lamb?
 

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thank you emilysmama for the lamb cooking tips! I love the braising idea, but I do love my crockpot!! I will give that a try first since I'm lazy. I wonder if it matters what cut of lamb ??<br><br>
here's an update - Josh had another patch of eczema this morning when he woke <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> breaks my heart. Once he woke up, yet again he had gas and a huge poop. this is now almost a daily thing.... I wonder, clearly eczema is allergy (again, prob; my dairy consumption and I have stopped <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> ) but is the stomach upset /gas/red butt only intolerance symptom or could be allergy symptom??<br><br>
(I hope I'm just dealing with the milk allergy b/c at least I know how to manage that, but if it's intolerance, it could be anything I"m eating or he's eating?! ) and I know I can learn alot from you mamas who deal with far more intolerances/allergies than my DS.
 

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It sounds like an intolerance, but why don't you give the "no dairy" a chance first before you start wondering if there's something else. If it's been a week, and he's still getting the upset stomach stuff, then start looking at what else he's eating. Then go for the top 8 (since you're already off a bunch of them). If I were to guess, I'd say soy or gluten with what you're already avoiding. But that's just a guess.
 

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I would do the dairy first to considering you know it was a problem in the past. That seems like the most educated first guess. I would guess gluten second as it seems to be the most prevalant allergen/intolerant food in his diet.
 
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