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<div style="font-style:italic;">We've been using TheraNeem Cream for a bit now. It's expensive, so I only use it on inflammed spots a few tims a day. The rest of the time I use shea butter (Now brand, I think, too lazy to go get the pot).</div>
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Thanks for mentioning this cream. I don't know why I didn't think to look online for other TheraNeem products. The cream looks highly preferrable to the straight oil. Where did you buy it? The Neem oil may have helped slightly, but it was so smelly I had to post a separate thread to figure out how to mask the smell! I think that when I coated her ankles and then covered it in socks and babylegs a lot of the oil was getting absorbed by her clothes and not her skin. A cream version might work a lot better.<br><br>
A couple of you have mentioned your Zyrtec use. This was recommended by her ped, nightly. I am too afraid to start it for two reasons. One, it will antidote her remedy and two, building a reliance on the drug. How many of you have had this latter experience? Do they become reliant on it and once you stop the itching comes back worse?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks for mentioning this cream. I don't know why I didn't think to look online for other TheraNeem products. The cream looks highly preferrable to the straight oil. Where did you buy it? The Neem oil may have helped slightly, but it was so smelly I had to post a separate thread to figure out how to mask the smell! I think that when I coated her ankles and then covered it in socks and babylegs a lot of the oil was getting absorbed by her clothes and not her skin. A cream version might work a lot better.<br><br>
A couple of you have mentioned your Zyrtec use. This was recommended by her ped, nightly. I am too afraid to start it for two reasons. One, it will antidote her remedy and two, building a reliance on the drug. How many of you have had this latter experience? Do they become reliant on it and once you stop the itching comes back worse?</div>
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I buy the cream at Sprouts and Whole Foods (or Whole Paycheck as a friend calls it! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">) Sam price at both places, though.<br><br>
I'm really wanting to stop the Zyrtec after reading your post, DH even more because he's afraid of withdrawl itching, but I do think it's helping some and the only option is going to Benadryl 3 times a day instead of 1 dose. We've forgotten a dose ocasionally and it may be in our heads, but he seems to itch more. Dunno if it's withdrawl or he really itches that much.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I buy the cream at Sprouts and Whole Foods (or Whole Paycheck as a friend calls it! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)<br><br>
I'm really wanting to stop the Zyrtec after reading your post, DH even more because he's afraid of withdrawl itching, but I do think it's helping some and the only option is going to Benadryl 3 times a day instead of 1 dose. We've forgotten a dose ocasionally and it may be in our heads, but he seems to itch more. Dunno if it's withdrawl or he really itches that much.</div>
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Thanks for letting me know where you buy it! We have Whole Foods here, so I will definitely check it out.<br><br>
That's the thing about these medications that suppress the eczema symptoms- once you stop them it all comes back worse than before. I was so afraid of going off the steroid in preparation for dd's allergy testing, but it turned out to the best thing we did! We prepared for it with lots of creams and mentally geared up for long nights. It flared and it was bad, but then it calmed down and was manageable enough and that's how we were able to give her the homeopathic remedy. With the chiropractic work you're doing, I wonder if it can have its full effect while you're suppressing. My homeopath says when you suppress one symptom, the body will express the illness somewhere else. This is why steroid use for eczema has been linked to asthma development- the illness can no longer express itself through the skin, so it goes internal. This idea is what I always tell myself every time I'm exhausted and tempted to use an antihistamine or a steroid.<br><br>
This is a tough battle! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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That's the thing about these medications that suppress the eczema symptoms- once you stop them it all comes back worse than before. I was so afraid of going off the steroid in preparation for dd's allergy testing, but it turned out to the best thing we did! We prepared for it with lots of creams and mentally geared up for long nights. It flared and it was bad, but then it calmed down and was manageable enough and that's how we were able to give her the homeopathic remedy. With the chiropractic work you're doing, I wonder if it can have its full effect while you're suppressing. My homeopath says when you suppress one symptom, the body will express the illness somewhere else. This is why steroid use for eczema has been linked to asthma development- the illness can no longer express itself through the skin, so it goes internal. This idea is what I always tell myself every time I'm exhausted and tempted to use an antihistamine or a steroid.<br><br>
This is a tough battle! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"></div>
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I hope the Neem cream works for you. I've also ben using the Renew lotion from Melalleuca, and the skin on his legs where he's been scratching a lot seems smoother and softer, but he also may be getting over the "relapse" he had last weekend. I've been trying to conving DH that patience is the name of the game.<br><br>
Our pedi convinced us to do Zyrtec because of the scratch itch cycle..the more he scratched, the worse he itched, and we were desperate to give him some relief from the itching. I don't know if I mentioned this earlier, but we per the chiro we are giving him Bach's Mustard Flower Essence, and that seems to be helping him a lot. He's definitely been sleeping longer stretches with it. It's made me want to look further at other homeopathic remedies; I just need to find a homeopath and convince DH. I've heard enough that I don't want to try a remedy with9ut a homeopath's advice, afraid I would just be wasting time and money and energy.<br><br>
Anyway, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> to you too, it sure is tough sometimes, but I've been seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. It's hard waiting for it, though!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">a) After the three hour interview (with me, not dd since she was just 6 months old at the time), our homeopath decided on <i>Calcarea carbonica</i>.</div>
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That's funny (but not surprising...) the most recent remedy our homeopath has our son on is Cal Carb, as well. And it seems a really great match for him at this point. Our homeopath is not a "classical homeopath", so it's not just one dose. He takes a dose twice/day until the bottle is gone (it's the remedy diluted in spring water and given by the dropperful. Maybe because of this method of giving it, he doesn't feel that you can *negate* or reverse the effects of the remedy by eating something particular. He doesn't love that we use the steroid, but he says the remedy is still working.<br><br>
He has suggested a one-shot dose of a high potency Cal Carb and, given your suggestion, we're thinking about trying it (after weaning him off the steroid so the Cal Carb can do it's thing as well as possible and we can actually see if there's a change.)<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Interesting. Our kiddo is 19 months old and been on various homeopathies since about 6? months...?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Wow. I've never heard that you can REVERSE the asthma caused by suppressing the eczema.<br><br>
We really want to wet wrap some more (and get his head/face somehow!) and get him off the steroid! It's so hard because the eczema bothers him so much and it's so hard on him...but we do know that the steroid gets it under congtrol really quickly, so if we have to give up, then we can...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This is the technique that is taught as a standard for eczema patients at National Jewish in Denver. I may not have it exactly right as they teach it, but this is what we did and it worked well. We're trying to figure out a way to do it to his head/face!</div>
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Ski mask. Make one out of cotton knit/interlock. Top with a fleece ski mask. I wouldn't sleep in it, but maybe convince him it's a game in the evening?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">He doesn't love that we use the steroid, but he says the remedy is still working.<br><br>
He has suggested a one-shot dose of a high potency Cal Carb and, given your suggestion, we're thinking about trying it (after weaning him off the steroid so the Cal Carb can do it's thing as well as possible and we can actually see if there's a change.)</div>
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Do you feel that the remedy is working? It seems to me, impossible, for the remedy to do its job while the symptoms are being suppressed. The remedy is asking the body to express the eczema fully to rid him of it while the steriod is pushing it down further into the body. These two things are working in direct opposition. I'm so surprised that your homeopath doesn't agree.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Interesting. Our kiddo is 19 months old and been on various homeopathies since about 6? months...?</div>
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This is what leads me to believe that you just can't get the effect of the remedy while suppressing. Of course, you were on a different remedy at the time, so that may have had a lot to do with it, too.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wow. I've never heard that you can REVERSE the asthma caused by suppressing the eczema.<br><br>
We really want to wet wrap some more (and get his head/face somehow!) and get him off the steroid! It's so hard because the eczema bothers him so much and it's so hard on him...but we do know that the steroid gets it under congtrol really quickly, so if we have to give up, then we can...</div>
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I couldn't really believe it either, but my sister was plagued by asthma her whole life and suddenly there she is running. Running! No issues with breathing. Of course, her hands and face are now plagued with eczema, but like I said, she prefers it. I think it gets harder and harder to figure out what's causing the eczema as you get older. She just hasn't been able to pin down any obvious triggers and her remedy didn't work.<br><br>
Good luck going off the steroid. It will get worse at first, but we found that it calmed down a bit after a few days. We just kept slathering her in oils and creams all day and all night (maybe try that TheraNeem cream!)- covering her in socks and babylegs, long sleeved shirts, etc. It was hard, but if you can just get through it, his remedy might work within days of dosing and that could be it!! You have to find out. Please let us all know how it goes. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2">
 

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I am going to add a few ideas here that helped for DS and me. We had similar situations-eczema, itching, nothing worked, we tried it all, TED, various eliminated diets. DS no longer has any patches of eczema and I have flair up here and there because I eat more foods I know I shouldn't and experiment with supplements.<br><br>
In short here are our triggers:<br>
Sulphur/phenols related to PST enzyme function (phenolsulfotransferase) I take Molybdenum and no-fenol enzymes<br><br>
oxalates: we don't process them well and eating too much makes us itchy. We take VSL#3 probiotic which breaks it down, avoid high oxalate foods and take vitamin K2. I cannot take probiotics near food at all, it has to be separated 2 hrs on each side.<br><br>
Low iron/anemia: still working on this one! Found out that Vitamin A triggers the liver to release stored iron<br><br>
Thyroid: after being on all these elimination diets and using sea salt my body needed Iodide. I supplement with potassium iodide NOT Lugol's.<br><br>
Improper fat digestion/usage-this was possibly the biggest issue we had-these are mitochondrial problems, cells were not using fats as energy. There are a bunch of supplements associated with this the 2 biggest are L-carnitine (which I have to take at every meal) and CoQ10.<br><br>
So now that we can digest fats, I was able to add in fish oil, vit A, Vit D, DHA I added them all separately to get proper dosage, all from fish oil. Going to try CLO next so I don't have to take separately. If I do not take carnitine with these fats my eczema starts right away on my fingers and heals.<br><br>
Also as we healed and our systems got stronger we have been able to fight off infections that were living inside our bodies that our weak immune system couldn't take care of. Viruses, bacteria, yeast oh my.<br><br>
I have to say I feel better now than I ever have in my life!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That all being said, I think a lot of the itching is psychological. The chiro did some emotional clearing and started him on a Bach's flower essence (mustard), and his sleep has definitely improved (and he laughs a lot more! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/joy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="joy"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">. I think it's become a calming/coping mechanism, unfortunately. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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To some extent I agree with you. With my oldest son, the scratching became a part of things that happened when he was tired or anxious. He stopped doing it about a year after we got his eczema under control... until then he was getting nightly doses of hydroxyzine or benedryl to keep the bedtime scratching at a minimum. Obviously not a popular choice with most posters here, but it's what worked the best for my child.<br><br>
Now my child is a happy, healthy almost 11 year old with just small patches of eczema, but he has no problems falling to sleep at night.
 

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You'd be surprised how many traditional chiropractors would be willing to work with you if you had a suffering child. I know at least ten off hand that would probably do it at a smaller fee scale and would work with you to make it work for you. Don't rule it out.<br><br>
I would love to know what emotional clearing is. What does that do and what does the chiropractor do? I have never heard of it.<br><br>
Speaking as one who at the moment has opted to give Zyrtec too...it is totally a necessity for the moment until we are able to pinpoint the triggers more. I can't see him suffer any more than he has and something needs to be done to stop the cycle, kwim? My son scratches from being anxious and upset too. It has become a way of life for him and we are trying to break the association that he has made with it and it is working <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
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My 9 month old had eczema on most of his back and chest/stomach, it wasn't an extreme case of it, but his skin always felt dry and there were some dry kinda scaly patches. Foderma serum says it can clear it in three days. I noticed that it was gone in about a week, whenever I thought about it I would lather him up like sunscreen, morning and before bed and occasionally throughout the day. It's completely gone and I keep checking him like it's too good to be true. It's been a week so far with no dry skin, but I'll keep an extra tube lying around just in case.
 
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