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This is my first post, although I've been following along this forum for the past several months. When the pandemic hit the US, all anybody could talk about was a vaccine. Right away, my heart sank and I feared the worst: a two class society under which unvaxxed would be forced into virtual house arrest, or worse, forced to be vaccinated against their will. I told myself that this was America and that I was probably letting my fears run away with me. Now, it seems like we're getting much closer to that horrible picture.

It's not even that I'm against vaccination. Truth be told, I don't understand vaccination or virology well enough to have a strong opinion. I, however, suffered a severe vaccine (coma) reaction as an infant and have not received one since. Doctors at the time told my parents that another vaccine could kill me. Now, they say it probably would be fine, but they honestly don't seem to take it seriously enough for my comfort level. It's my life, so I don't like the sound of "probably." Not once did any illness for which there is a vaccine even threaten to kill me. I've never been hospitalised for avirus; I have been for a vaccine. So, I personally feel safer about taking my chances with a virus. I rarely catch anything, anyway. I worked in the area of a measles outbreak a few years ago (never had measles or MMR vaccine) and I didn't catch it. Supposedly it's very contagious, but I was fine.

Now with covid, it doesn't seem to stop. First it was all about the masks. Still is with some people. Then the vaccine came out and it was all about that. We're now at the point where everyone who wants the vaccine has had it, and people are saying very polarising statements. Politicians (republican and democrat) are telling people to blame the unvaccinated for all their problems. People are frustrated and stressed from the helluva year we've had, and are looking for someone to take it out on. When will it stop??

I looked into the history of the 1918 pandemic (which killed 50M - not 2M), and that was over and done with in just over a year. By then, people were back to normal life. Today, people are still panicking. Restrictions are still in place, and more are being considered. For someone who isn't vaccinated (even for legitimate medical reasons), the possibility of travel, work, education, socialising, or even just going to the gym or the movies is becoming less and less possible. I'm not sure if my medical reasons would be considered legitimate by pro-vaxxers. They are sentencing us to house arrest and applauding themselves whilst doing it. I thought the whole idea of herd immunity was to have enough vaccinated around those who couldn't be vaccinated that the virus couldn't get through to those "unprotected" individuals. But we're not doing that at all. Unvaccinated folks have to "sit over there" away from the "pure, clean, worthy" vaccinated people who "care enough to roll up their sleeves for society." Unvaccinated are "selfish, ignorant Trump supporters who deserve to die from their own stupidity." This is literally what some people are saying. It terrifies me. It makes me not want to live in this world. Even though covid has not been an issue for me, I've faced other health problems which have been largely exacerbated by the restrictions and have struggled to find viable treatment. It's like society has a target on my back simply for existing and being a potential harbour for disease. Even though I have probably spread far less disease than the average person, due to my lifestyle.

Perhaps worst of all is the inability to discuss these issues with each other. The pro vax people have no ears for anyone who doesn't fully agree with them. They will ride that wave of assumptions as far as it goes. They aren't actually interested in listening to anyone's point of view but their own, and will threaten anyone who dares speak against them. Free speech is being threatened and again, the American people are applauding it.

I don't know what to do. Before I can really pursue career goals and other life things, I need to get better (which is challenging enough, given that treatment providers are so elusive), but when I do get well enough to focus back on my career, will that even be possible? If I need qualifications for a new career choice, will I be allowed to attend a college? Will any of the fields of choice allow me to work? I've vaguely thought about living off the grid, growing my own food, and interacting with very few, but that's really not me. I'm a city gal. I've never gardened. I've never lived in a house. I love culture and the things one only can experience in a large city. I like my alone time, but I also really like being around people. I don't want to live in isolation, especially not because I feel forced to.
 

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This is my first post, although I've been following along this forum for the past several months. When the pandemic hit the US, all anybody could talk about was a vaccine. Right away, my heart sank and I feared the worst: a two class society under which unvaxxed would be forced into virtual house arrest, or worse, forced to be vaccinated against their will. I told myself that this was America and that I was probably letting my fears run away with me. Now, it seems like we're getting much closer to that horrible picture.

It's not even that I'm against vaccination. Truth be told, I don't understand vaccination or virology well enough to have a strong opinion. I, however, suffered a severe vaccine (coma) reaction as an infant and have not received one since. Doctors at the time told my parents that another vaccine could kill me. Now, they say it probably would be fine, but they honestly don't seem to take it seriously enough for my comfort level. It's my life, so I don't like the sound of "probably." Not once did any illness for which there is a vaccine even threaten to kill me. I've never been hospitalised for avirus; I have been for a vaccine. So, I personally feel safer about taking my chances with a virus. I rarely catch anything, anyway. I worked in the area of a measles outbreak a few years ago (never had measles or MMR vaccine) and I didn't catch it. Supposedly it's very contagious, but I was fine.

Now with covid, it doesn't seem to stop. First it was all about the masks. Still is with some people. Then the vaccine came out and it was all about that. We're now at the point where everyone who wants the vaccine has had it, and people are saying very polarising statements. Politicians (republican and democrat) are telling people to blame the unvaccinated for all their problems. People are frustrated and stressed from the helluva year we've had, and are looking for someone to take it out on. When will it stop??

I looked into the history of the 1918 pandemic (which killed 50M - not 2M), and that was over and done with in just over a year. By then, people were back to normal life. Today, people are still panicking. Restrictions are still in place, and more are being considered. For someone who isn't vaccinated (even for legitimate medical reasons), the possibility of travel, work, education, socialising, or even just going to the gym or the movies is becoming less and less possible. I'm not sure if my medical reasons would be considered legitimate by pro-vaxxers. They are sentencing us to house arrest and applauding themselves whilst doing it. I thought the whole idea of herd immunity was to have enough vaccinated around those who couldn't be vaccinated that the virus couldn't get through to those "unprotected" individuals. But we're not doing that at all. Unvaccinated folks have to "sit over there" away from the "pure, clean, worthy" vaccinated people who "care enough to roll up their sleeves for society." Unvaccinated are "selfish, ignorant Trump supporters who deserve to die from their own stupidity." This is literally what some people are saying. It terrifies me. It makes me not want to live in this world. Even though covid has not been an issue for me, I've faced other health problems which have been largely exacerbated by the restrictions and have struggled to find viable treatment. It's like society has a target on my back simply for existing and being a potential harbour for disease. Even though I have probably spread far less disease than the average person, due to my lifestyle.

Perhaps worst of all is the inability to discuss these issues with each other. The pro vax people have no ears for anyone who doesn't fully agree with them. They will ride that wave of assumptions as far as it goes. They aren't actually interested in listening to anyone's point of view but their own, and will threaten anyone who dares speak against them. Free speech is being threatened and again, the American people are applauding it.

I don't know what to do. Before I can really pursue career goals and other life things, I need to get better (which is challenging enough, given that treatment providers are so elusive), but when I do get well enough to focus back on my career, will that even be possible? If I need qualifications for a new career choice, will I be allowed to attend a college? Will any of the fields of choice allow me to work? I've vaguely thought about living off the grid, growing my own food, and interacting with very few, but that's really not me. I'm a city gal. I've never gardened. I've never lived in a house. I love culture and the things one only can experience in a large city. I like my alone time, but I also really like being around people. I don't want to live in isolation, especially not because I feel forced to.
Good to meet you. Since I'm an old lady I've got a different set of concerns, but I do have grandchildren and their lives are certainly being upended by all this BS.

Rather creepy that doctors tell you that it would "probably" be okay for you to get a vaccine.
 

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Rather creepy that doctors tell you that it would "probably" be okay for you to get a vaccine.
I went to a specialist doctor about an unrelated issue. She asked for my allergies and I mentioned the vaccine issue. She said, shocked, "Do you mean that you haven't had any vaccins since?!" I said, "Yes, because the doctors said another vaccine could kill me." She then proceeded to use the appointment to lecture me anout vaccines. She said I could not fall pregnant without being vaccinated against mumps and rubella, which according to her are very serious diseases (mumps can be; rubella is known for being mild), but also said these diseases were eradicated in this country. If it's erradicated, what does it matter? I cannot get a virus unless someone else has it to pass to me! I politely told this doc that the vaccine issue was between me and my GP (who at least respects my decision, even if I can tell she doesn't fully agree) and that I was there to see her about something else. The whole experience was so uncomfortable it made me wary to share that info ever again with another doctor.
 

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This is my first post, although I've been following along this forum for the past several months. When the pandemic hit the US, all anybody could talk about was a vaccine. Right away, my heart sank and I feared the worst: a two class society under which unvaxxed would be forced into virtual house arrest, or worse, forced to be vaccinated against their will. I told myself that this was America and that I was probably letting my fears run away with me. Now, it seems like we're getting much closer to that horrible picture.

It's not even that I'm against vaccination. Truth be told, I don't understand vaccination or virology well enough to have a strong opinion. I, however, suffered a severe vaccine (coma) reaction as an infant and have not received one since. Doctors at the time told my parents that another vaccine could kill me. Now, they say it probably would be fine, but they honestly don't seem to take it seriously enough for my comfort level. It's my life, so I don't like the sound of "probably." Not once did any illness for which there is a vaccine even threaten to kill me. I've never been hospitalised for avirus; I have been for a vaccine. So, I personally feel safer about taking my chances with a virus. I rarely catch anything, anyway. I worked in the area of a measles outbreak a few years ago (never had measles or MMR vaccine) and I didn't catch it. Supposedly it's very contagious, but I was fine.
Welcome! I'm a little confused - are you in the US or South Africa?
 

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I went to a specialist doctor about an unrelated issue. She asked for my allergies and I mentioned the vaccine issue. She said, shocked, "Do you mean that you haven't had any vaccins since?!" I said, "Yes, because the doctors said another vaccine could kill me." She then proceeded to use the appointment to lecture me anout vaccines. She said I could not fall pregnant without being vaccinated against mumps and rubella, which according to her are very serious diseases (mumps can be; rubella is known for being mild), but also said these diseases were eradicated in this country. If it's erradicated, what does it matter? I cannot get a virus unless someone else has it to pass to me! I politely told this doc that the vaccine issue was between me and my GP (who at least respects my decision, even if I can tell she doesn't fully agree) and that I was there to see her about something else. The whole experience was so uncomfortable it made me wary to share that info ever again with another doctor.
I have been treated very similar to you....it surely puts us in a bad situation of mistrust of the medical community.
I was flat out lied to by a dr who never saw me before,and told me I WOULD DIE WITHOUT THE VACCINE... smh....that dr was fired immediately. And, if a dr is not polite with me, that goes both ways, too.
 
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