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Ack! Today I received my free gift from Enfamil Next Step for 9-24 month olds. It was a 12 oz can of powder and a retail check(coupon) for $10! $10! Good grief, how much does that stuff cost that they're giving me $10 off one can???? Unbelievable! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="jaw2"><br><br>
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Aren't you glad you don't know how much it costs? What lucky babies we all have <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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I took my daughter on a field trip down the formula isle just the other day and we darn near DROPPED! The "high-tech" formulas (you know, the ones that 9 out of 10 times would be uneeded if the child were breastfed) were $18 and $20 a can! One can (it was enfamil and $21!) was only available at the service desk, crazy stuff. The "low tech" stuff was all $8-$12 a can.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!">
 

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I know.........the ready made stuff is even more $$$$$$$$<br>
And formula cans only last a few feedings<br>
I can understand when mamas have breastfeeding issues and honestly have to formula feed, its the ones who choose to w/o trying that really irk me
 

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I checked out Drug Store.com the can of Enfamil costs $22 a can. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="dropjaw"> Thats crazy. My friend said she spent $30 a week on formula, not counting the special water she had to buy.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I cant believe someone would pay that much when breastmilk is free <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nut.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nut"></div>
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I HAVE to pay it or my DD doesn't eat. I don't feel like going into completely again, but I had many problems with BFing... saw a lactation consultant, took tons of supplements, pumped all the time (still do), etc... only got about 3oz per day. Thyroid problems really interfere with BFing.<br><br>
So, althought I agree completely that BFing is best (natural, normal, etc)... *sometimes* there really isn't a choice.<br><br>
And no, I'm not *defending* FF at all... I still cry because I have to give my DD FF... but I guess I'm just feeling hormonal and a bit on edge about this comment right now. Especially the little *nuts* smilie at the end. Very hurtful, IMO, to those of us who fought to BF and for medical reasons, couldn't.
 

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Maybe the Lactivism Board is not a good place to hang out when you are feeling this way. I used formula, too, due to difficulties in the first 3 months with ds1 but if reading this kind of comment hurts you then you might be better off avoiding the forum where we express our negative feelings toward the formula companies and such.<br><br>
No one meant any hurtful things. We're all here (on the "Lactivism" board) to rant about the way things are in our world.<br><br>
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I still consider myself a lactivist and advocate for BFing to everyone I can. I KNOW that BFing is the right thing to do and I work towards helping others do just that. So I think I have every right to be here on the Lactivism board since I'm working towards the same goal as everyone else. I agree that formula is too widely used, that formula companies lack ethics, etc... I personally think that formula should only be available via Rx, and have outlined a way that I personally think would be feasible... but I don't think we need to be calling FFers nuts for paying to feed their babies.
 

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Formula for 9-24 month olds... but "they don't get any benefits after 6 months you should wean!" Formula for 9-24 month olds... but "I just don't think it's right after they can ask for it." Formula for 9-24 month olds.... but "after they get teeth it's time for them to have only solids." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh">
 

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I never said you don't have every right to be here. Just that if you are feeling hormonal and you know this type of comment would upset you then you might not *want* to read here, because you know people say things like that. *I* didn't make the nuts comment but this is the Lactivism forum and people talk like that here.<br>
I thought that was part of the reason they changed the name of the forum, so people could vent and rant about formula without worrying about hurting a ff mom's feelings.<br><br>
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I got this same *sample* (FULL size... what a *sample*!) yesterday actually... I was comparing the ingredients to the *regular* formula we use for DD... I admit I really didn't even see much of a difference at all. Just another marketing ploy to get FFing mamas to pay more for something they don't really need.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I never said you don't have every right to be here. Just that if you are feeling hormonal and you know this type of comment would upset you then you might not *want* to read here, because you know people say things like that. *I* didn't make the nuts comment but this is the Lactivism forum and people talk like that here.<br>
I thought that was part of the reason they changed the name of the forum, so people could vent and rant about formula without worrying about hurting a ff mom's feelings.<br><br>
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I know *you* didn't make the comment, but you were the one defending it, therefore the reason I responded to you.<br><br>
I AM a lactivist AND a FFer. But if this board is so people can call FFer nuts or who knows whatever other names might come up, then maybe you're right... I shouldn't be here. I don't need to be around that kind of energy.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Formula for 9-24 month olds... but "they don't get any benefits after 6 months you should wean!" Formula for 9-24 month olds... but "I just don't think it's right after they can ask for it." Formula for 9-24 month olds.... but "after they get teeth it's time for them to have only solids." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"></div>
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I don't know anyone who uses formula after a year. I thought they tried to get you on whole milk on your first birthday. Just like you should wean on the first birthday. As if something magically changes on that day. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
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What I do when I get those is donate them to a food pantry or to one of the programs in my city for women who can't afford clothes/diapers, etc...that way it's not going to waste.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I know *you* didn't make the comment, but you were the one defending it, therefore the reason I responded to you.<br><br>
I AM a lactivist AND a FFer. But if this board is so people can call FFer nuts or who knows whatever other names might come up, then maybe you're right... I shouldn't be here. I don't need to be around that kind of energy.</div>
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I wasn't actually defending the comment just saying if it hurts your feelings then you shouldn't read this stuff. From what i've seen here, people make tons of anti formula comments and people always get defensive and it goes on and on. I thought that was the reason for the change in the name. I usually avoid this kind of discussion but since it was my thread I felt obligated. I think everyone here can agree that some people need formula. It's the "by choicers" that are the target of such comments.<br>
Maybe the comment should have been that people would have to be nuts to *choose* formula when breastmilk is free, because most ffers *do* choose it. It's the minority who honestly can't breastfeed.<br>
Anyway, the intent of the thread is that I've never gotten a $10 coupon before. I think my highest yet has been $6.50. Would you like to have my $10 coupon and can of formula, Amy?<br><br>
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~sighs~ Sorry for getting this so off topic. I do think that some lactivists need to be careful of HOW things are said, but I can understand the passion behind it.<br><br>
When I first had DD I received similar coupons... the highest I remember was $11... this was before I had to start using FF so I don't know if that was the highest, but I think it was.<br><br>
I will say that I don't agree with the marketing practices of the formula companies. It isn't right, IMO, to send full size *samples* to new moms, and coupons for practially free cans as well. If they REALLY think BM is best (as every formula can says in tiny print) then WHY try and sabotage any attempts at BFing? ~sighs~ I don't think it should be allowed.
 

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I think it's nuts to spend that kind of money on artificial breast milk <i>if you don't have to</i>. I'm glad that clean, safe breastmilk substitutes are readily available for those who need to supplement or are unable to BF at all.<br><br>
I think this "formula for 9-24 months" is a ploy to get moms to buy formula for an extra year, and possibly to sell formula to a whole new market (babies who are weaned between 1 and 2 years old) since most FF babies are switched to whole cow's milk around a year.<br><br>
I don't really have a problem with "toddler formulas" so much. It's really competing with cow's milk rather than breastmilk. Also, if FF for 2 years became the norm, I think there'd be a lot more understanding of BF for 2 years. So many moms wean at a year because "the baby is old enough for real milk now."<br><br>
In fact, I'd much rather the formula companies spent their energies marketing to toddlers and leaving pg women and new moms alone!
 

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You do make some good points Ruthla. I just noticed on the lid of the *Next Step* formula it says "A Nutritious Alternative to Whole Milk". So that's a good point. And you might be right... if they make FF for 2 years the norm then maybe BF for 2 years won't appear so alternative, which would be a good step in making extended BFing the *norm*.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think it's nuts to spend that kind of money on artificial breast milk <i>if you don't have to</i>. I'm glad that clean, safe breastmilk substitutes are readily available for those who need to supplement or are unable to BF at all.<br><br>
I think this "formula for 9-24 months" is a ploy to get moms to buy formula for an extra year, and possibly to sell formula to a whole new market (babies who are weaned between 1 and 2 years old) since most FF babies are switched to whole cow's milk around a year.<br><br>
I don't really have a problem with "toddler formulas" so much. It's really competing with cow's milk rather than breastmilk. Also, if FF for 2 years became the norm, I think there'd be a lot more understanding of BF for 2 years. So many moms wean at a year because "the baby is old enough for real milk now."<br><br>
In fact, I'd much rather the formula companies spent their energies marketing to toddlers and leaving pg women and new moms alone!</div>
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Thank you.
 
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