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Etiquette of off leash?

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I was walking with my dh, dd (in her stroller), and chihuahua the other day in a nearby park. One part of the park has an off leash area for dogs to run around. As we made our way through that area, four large dogs run up to us, start jumping, sniffing, etc. No barking or biting, but the pit bull who poked his face into the stroller started making me a little nervous (no offense to pit lovers). I scopped up the chihuahua and looked around for the owners. They were off a ways strolling and talking to one another, not even looking at their dogs or watching what they were doing. As I was a little nervous about them getting so close to the baby, I called out to them, "Hey, could you come get your dogs?" I tried to do it in a polite, friendly manner, but maybe sounded a little nervous. Anyway, one of the owners copped an attitide and yelled back "This is an OFF LEASH area."

This makes me wonder, was I out of line? Is their any kind of off leash etiquette, or is it just assumed that you walk there at your own risk? I just think that if it were my dog jumping around a stranger, I were come get him so that he didn't bother anyone. But maybe in off leash areas that isn't necessary or expected?

Just curious about what other dog owners do.
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I wouldn't walk my baby through the off-leash area. If your park has the paths go through the off-leash area, they are crazy. The off-leash area is supposed to be separate.
The path we were on goes through the off leash area so there was really no avoiding it (or actually the off leash area is at the end of the path before you come to the street and then the path continues on the other side). We walked along the outer edge of it (not through the center), but I had assumed (perhaps mistakenly) that there was some kind of rule about supervising your pets. I realize now that that might not be the case.
Is the off leash area not fenced? In my area, the off leash area is fenced or in a remote area. It's usually like a big corral to keep the dogs in/out.
I'm not sure regular dog park rules apply if the area is open to the regular park.
This makes me mad...
Off leash area or not, dog owners are RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR DOGS and should most definatly come and retreive their dogs if they are making someone nervous- and you obviously had a stroller with a baby, how rude! I have a 10 month old DD and a large G Shepherd whom we take to off leash areas periodically, but if anyone ever asks us to call her away or if I see that she is pestering or making someone anxious (human or dog), I will go get her, pronto.
People make the mistake of taking their dogs to dog parks and then tuning out, talking on the cell phone, etc, but this is when bad things happen. We as dog owners need to be constantly aware of how our pets are acting. Not hovering, but observing and being attentive....

BTW - I have to ask, why did you pick up your little dog? This tends to increase any nervousnes in your dog and the other dogs. Also, if the other dogs WERE going to snap at your dog or something, thy may have done so as you were picking him up, making your face right there to snap at as well... In the future, keep walking calmly, let your dog walk next to you and project an air of confidence and calmness. YOU are the pack leader!
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I agree with edlyn's mom. I'm always keeping a very sharp eye on our dog when we go to the off-leash areas. I see people reading, talking, eating, etc... not really paying attention to their dogs. but, others are very good about keeping tabs. I think it just depends on the person (s).

The rules are typically posted and Yes, they do say that you need to be aware of your dog and make sure he/she is not being a nusiance or threatening to others.
Sure there's rules... and then there is reality.

I don't think you can rely on rules. I would have picked up the little dog as well. I am the alpha dog but if an 80 pound dog bites a 5 pound dog there may not be much left over.
People are supposed to be watchful but it's still likely some people won't and some dogs that are not suitable for off-leash will be off-leash, etc.
There is just no gain in taking unnecessary risk while clinging to the fact that there are rules. If something happens it's not going to much consolation that you were right and others weren't.
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The area is not really fenced off, it's just sort of a circular area at the end of the trail which leads into a small parking area, then the street, then the rest of the part. It is not a "sectioned off" or enclosed area (in other words we didn't specially enter, the path just leads into it--sort of like a pond at the end of a stream or something
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As for picking up our dog--he was on his leash, but is TERRIFIED of other dogs, so he was trying to get away from them and I was afraid that might trigger a hunt/chase instinct if they thought he was going to run.

Anyway, I just thought people would be paying more attention and was surprised by their reaction. But then I wasn't sure if perhaps they were right about us being in "their" territory.
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Yes, rules are rules and there are always those that choose not to follow them. Perhaps the OP could complain to the city or the private org. that runs the dog park? About fencing it in (would be safer for dogs and people alike), which would solve the original problem.
This doesnt have to do woth the dog park issue, but you will want to work on your little dogs fear issues before your DC gets older - you dont want your kiddo getting bitten because he/she did something to scare your dog. I mentioned not picking him up, this only reenforces his fearful behavior. It takes some effort but you can work with him to stabilise in this respect.
This is why I don't go to dog parks....ever. Inevitably the people who take their dogs there are at least 50% people who have zero control of their dogs--that's why they take it to these enclosed areas to run around. They don't know dog language, they don't bother to watch their dogs because they walk around with this false ideal that dogs are furry little toddlers and could never really hurt anyone or thing.
I'm quite certain that I've lost myself a lot clients in this area by speaking out against the potential dog park being lobbied for.
I see why you picked up your dog and you're right, in that situation, it would have been dangerous not to (for the dog) but like the pp said, you also want to work on the fear separately and picking the dog up, while needed occaisionally is to the dog praise for his fear.
My understanding of dog park etiquette is that butt sniffing, mild horseplay, and running up to people or dogs is generally considered okay, and jumping up on people or significant aggressiveness (more than just a warning growl to an overly friendly dog) requires owner intervention. I wouldn't take a stroller through a dog off-leash area either, but if you do I would expect your baby to be sniffed and perhaps slobbered on.

I live in an apartment with a border collie, and I don't have many options to let my dog run for a bit legally, other than the dog park (or driving a long way). We have a huge dog park and I'm sure hundreds of dogs pass through on an average day. There are plenty of places to walk a baby and a leashed little dog besides the dog park. It does bother me when people bring small children to the dog park and then expect the dogs to stay away from them. I've seen a few small children knocked over by dogs who were chasing balls or running and playing and not paying attention, and I feel sorry for the toddlers... but I don't blame the dogs, I blame the child's parents.

dar
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ITA w/Dar.

We are dog park regulars and for the most part, people watch their dogs. Those who don't are always reminded by the self-appointed dog park police that you need to follow the rules or get out. One of the rules is that your dog has to be within range of your voice at all time. Another rule is that if your dog bites, they either need to be muzzled or need to leave the park immediately. Our dog park has two areas: one for dogs less than 40lbs and one for bigger dogs. If your small dog has issues with big dogs, then don't take them around bigger dogs.

It doesn't sound like those dogs were doing anything out of the ordinary. When you walk into an off-leash area, expect the dogs to be off-leash. If you don't want other dogs around you when they are off-leash, don't walk your little dog or your baby through there.

We had a man show up at our dog park with a 40-or-so lb. Heinz 57 that was obviously afraid of bigger dogs. He complained to our whole group because our Danes, Mastiff, Borzoi, and Greyhounds (the BIG dogs) were chasing and scaring his dog. Our dogs were all playing and chasing each other. I guess he didn't bother to notice the teeny little rat terrier chasing my 115lb Dane all over the place. It's not our fault or problem that his dog didn't like bigger dogs. He had several options:
1.)Take the dog to the little dog side.
2.)Take the dog to the other end of the park.
3.)Take the dog home.

Yes, owners are always responsible for the actions of their dogs. But people are responsible for their own actions as well and if you don't want unleashed dogs around your baby or your little dog, don't walk in areas where there are unleashed dogs.
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Dog park or not, the dog owner should have not been so rude to you and should have came and got their dog. There are a few "regulars" that visit the dog park in my area that sometimes think that their dogs are superior because they visit more. They are sometimes rude or snobby to new comers. I think their animosity comes from the frustrations in dealing w/ the dog park. Might not be the same in your case. Maybe there just mean.
Well, I've just come to the conclusion that it's not my fault and it's not their fault (although I don't think they should have been rude about it). It's the dog park's fault.

From all the posts, I've gathered that this is just the stupidest dog park in the world.

1. There is NO fence whatsover.
2. If you are walking along this path (one of only two in the park and the only one that's not paved, meaning you don't have to dodge bicyclists every 3 minutes as you do on the other path) the dog park is UNAVOIDABLE. There is no "leash" area that you could walk in with a small child, and even if there were, there's no fricken' fence.
3. There is very little grass for the dogs to play in--it's basically more like a section of the parking lot than the park.
4. It's adjacent to the street--again, with no fence (which is why our dog doesn't go off leash there, even when there are no other dogs around).

Stupid, stupid dog park
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So after I made the last post, we went for another walk in the park. This time we took the other path--the one that doesn't actually go into the off leash area, but goes close enough to see what's going on. As we walked past, we heard a woman frantically calling out to her dog who was running out of the park and across the street. First of all, the dog could have been hit by a car and second, it just goes to show how unsupervised the pets are there--the owner was too far away to catch up with the dog before he darted across the street and even as she called to him, he didn't so much as look back at her, he just kept running.

Stupid, stupid park.
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GRRRRR! I have to wonder why the hell people would want to take their dogs off-leash somewhere where their dogs could run off like that.
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See, this is how it's done:
http://www.fortwoof.org/

My dog park was just voted #1 in the country by Dog Fancy!
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Originally Posted by Dar
My understanding of dog park etiquette is that butt sniffing, mild horseplay, and running up to people or dogs is generally considered okay, and jumping up on people or significant aggressiveness (more than just a warning growl to an overly friendly dog) requires owner intervention. I wouldn't take a stroller through a dog off-leash area either, but if you do I would expect your baby to be sniffed and perhaps slobbered on.

I live in an apartment with a border collie, and I don't have many options to let my dog run for a bit legally, other than the dog park (or driving a long way). We have a huge dog park and I'm sure hundreds of dogs pass through on an average day. There are plenty of places to walk a baby and a leashed little dog besides the dog park. It does bother me when people bring small children to the dog park and then expect the dogs to stay away from them. I've seen a few small children knocked over by dogs who were chasing balls or running and playing and not paying attention, and I feel sorry for the toddlers... but I don't blame the dogs, I blame the child's parents.

dar
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