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<b>Check out post #30 for my explanation as to why/how EPO works. Just a disclaimer, I am not an M.D. nor do I play one on T.V. I just do a lot of research. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></b><br><br>
Hi there ladies -<br><br>
I have been on a break from TTC since Mr. Amazing Man is overseas, but I just thought I would pop in and tell you about my results with Evening Primrose Oil.<br><br>
Prior to taking it, I had little EW cervical fluid and severe breast tenderness from ovulation to my period arriving. Like I needed a hot pad and ibuprofen tenderness kind of pain. I read on a few internet sites that Evening Primrose Oil is good for both of these things so I thought I would try it out. I started taking one 1000 mg softgel Spring Vally Cold Pressed Standardized GLA 9% Evening Primrose Oil three times a day...or at least as many times a day as I could remember.<br><br>
During the next cycle, the breast tenderness was significantly reduced but there wasn't much change in the cervical fluid - still wet with some scant eggwhite. Gradually over the next couple of months, the fertile cervical fluid quality increased as did the quantity. After Mr. Amazing Man left, I quite taking the Evening Primrose Oil and the breast tenderness returned the next cycle and the fertile cervical fluids started diminishing.<br><br>
After two cycles of boobs that were killing me, I started back on the Evening Primrose Oil supplementation. This time though I took all 3 softgels in the morning to make sure I didn't miss any doses. The breast pain was (and has continued to be) non-existent. Also, during the last couple of cycles I have had so much fertile, eggwhite cervical fluid that it is almost comical! I am completely sold on Evening Primrose Oil for increasing eggwhite cervical fluid and helping with breast tenderness. It wasn't a quick fix, think crock pot instead of microwave, but it is certainly an astounding one!<br><br>
(Now if Mr. Amazing Man and I could ever hook up again during the right time of the month, that would be awesome!)
 

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Thanks. I too have a serious lack of CM, i have thought about trying EPO....i guess i should!<br><br>
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i have been taking it continuously for about 3 months now though i think only 2 months of a strong enough dose)and hoping and hoping, so far not much to report in the way of CM, but my cycles have been so wonky that the breakdown could be in a place that he epo has no effect on.<br>
this cycle was my first even semi normal one, and even though i did not O till CD30, i will keep taking the epo and will reserve judgment till i have a few even more normal cycles.<br><br>
as a side effect? it has DRAMATICALLY reduced my psoriasis!!! really completely, amazingly!<br>
For that alone it is probably worth the cost.<br><br>
my darlin' Mrs Amazing, so nice to see you post, my Beloved has been in theater for almost 2 months, we are hoping for a Dec R&R conception.
 

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Okay, this might be a stupid question, but if you normally have a goodish amount of CM, and you are TTC, and you notice that you don't have any (like literally, started, and then it stopped after several days of DtD), what does that mean? Anything?
 

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I think it usually means that you already O'ed. It happened to me also when I was taking benedryl and my CM dried up (I got almost none that month and I usually have a lot). I suppose it could also mean that your O "stalled" due to stress or whatnot and your CM will return as your body gears up to O again.
 

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It worked really well for me too when I took it, but eventually I ran out so I just stopped. I still get EWCM - just not as much.
 

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my darlin' Mrs Amazing, so nice to see you post, my Beloved has been in theater for almost 2 months, we are hoping for a Dec R&R conception.</div>
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Oh how wonderful!!!! I hope he is safe there and that December gets here quickly for you guys. I keep stalking your chart and hope that things get regulated by the time he rolls into town again and you guys get the BFP you are hoping for. (How are you holding up in the meantime?)<br><br>
Mr. Amazing Man came home about 2 weeks ago on a quick visit and dropped a bombshell on me - he is being transferred to Williamsburg VA and we will be moving in 7 weeks. Even more shocking is that it is a non-deploying position. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="dropjaw"> Seriously shocked. I wandered around in a daze for a couple of days after he told me, not quite sure to believe it after nearly 7 years of having him gone pretty much all the time. He's gone again until August 11 and we have to move a week or so later. HOLY COW. Holystinkincow.
 

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wow! enjoy this new life to its fullest! lots of Bd'ing for you two!<br>
As for me, this is my first deployment together with him and it is easy in some ways and much harder than i expected in others. All in all I am hanging in.<br>
We discovered an Insulin resistance that is along with my pcos, and am treating that, i feel my body is doing a pretty good job of getting back on track, and unless my cycles get amazing, we will be doing clomid in december when he visits. There has been talk of a IUI since my EWCM is so absent, hence the EPO. So cross your fingers for me and hope EPO does for me, the same it did for you!
 

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Adorkable have you tried preseed?
 

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<b>Adorkable</b> - I hadn't realized this was your first deployment! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">. It never gets "easy" but it does get to be "expected" if that makes any kind of sense. I don't think it's such a bad idea to do the Clomid in Dec to be honest with you, especially considering your pcos/insulin issues. Prior to his being transferred to this position in Williamsburg, we were actually considering storing some of his swimmers next time he was in town so I/we could do a couple of IUIs when he was gone. Not romantic, but sometimes gals in our situation have to be practical & creative in our babymaking!<br><br>
It took a few months of really consistent dosing for the EW to increase to it's peak point for me, so hopefully the same thing will happen for you! I think I would take even if it wasn't helping with that because of what an incredible job it does controlling the monthly breast pain!<br><br><b>filiadeluna</b> Darn it, you are still around? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">s to all of us who can't seem to graduate from this silly board for one reason or another! I have taken to keeping a few extra bottles (I just get the cheap stuff from WalMart) around the house so that I don't run out again!<br><br><b>Suzannah</b> - I would bet that means you ovulated. I know that my cervical fluids dry up very quickly once I have O'ed.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><b>filiadeluna</b> Darn it, you are still around? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">s to all of us who can't seem to graduate from this silly board for one reason or another! I have taken to keeping a few extra bottles (I just get the cheap stuff from WalMart) around the house so that I don't run out again!</div>
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Yep. I keep seeing the list of "old" members (meaning, people who have been around for several months to a year or more) dwindling b/c they eventually seem to get pregnant or give up. I'm more on the "give up" end, b/c I'm not doing anything special anymore. Hell, this month we only DTD 1 day during my fertile period, and I didn't really care. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> We are getting ready to close on our house in less than 3 weeks anyway, so busy busy.<br><br>
How's it going for you?
 

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Yes we use it.<br>
What folks need to remember about PreSeeed though, and this is a important thing most are not clear about.<br>
PreSeed is just a sperm safe lube for the vaginal area, it is a replacement for the lubricating qualities of EWCM to reduce friction, if you need it It does not go into the cervix in any way, so it is not a replacement for the functions of ewcm in there. Without the fertile fluid in the cervix opening, sperm do not get through, most non fertile mucus acts like a plug to keep you clean.<br>
This is why EPO (to increase) and Guaifenesin (to loosen) are used. It is kinda like 3 parts to a puzzle, neither replaces the other.<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;"><b>Adorkable</b> - I hadn't realized this was your first deployment! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">. It never gets "easy" but it does get to be "expected" if that makes any kind of sense.</div>
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yes that does make sense, and yeah first deployment as a couple. I was his support system for his first deployment in '03-'04, we have been friends for a long long time. It was actually the week he came home from that that we started dating. So i think last deployment was my time to freak out about his safety, this time is just the lost of a closeness and the disruption of family plans that gets me.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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yeah the clomid seems to make sense, my only fret now is that a 18 day window means there is a chance he could not be here for the O. And that we have better things to do during that time than doctor visits, like Jamaica! Yeah my RE suggested the banking, i decided that was too impersonal for me right now.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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that is the way i feel about it and my psoriasis.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><b>Adorkable</b><br><br><b>Suzannah</b> - I would bet that means you ovulated. I know that my cervical fluids dry up very quickly once I have O'ed.</div>
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Not to hijack this thread, but I am new to this particular area of MDC, and I have questions (I have searched and can't find the answers).<br><br>
1. Can you get pregnant w/o EWCM? Or CM?<br>
2. What does PCOS mean?!!<br>
3. DtD = "did the deed?"<br>
4. If we "DtD" after I O'ed (ovulated?), then that's good news for pregnancy, yes?<br><br>
Sorry if I sound so ignorant; this is the first time I have actually tried to get pregnant (instead of things...just happening), and there's a lot of stuff to know!! I am also 37, so i don't know what that means for fertility.
 

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<i>1. Can you get pregnant w/o EWCM? Or CM?</i><br>
not nearly as easily, and in a lot of cases not without IUI (interuterane insemination)<br><br><i>2. What does PCOS mean?!!</i><br>
Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome<br><br><i>3. DtD = "did the deed?"</i><br>
Yes<br><br><i>4. If we "DtD" after I O'ed (ovulated?), then that's good news for pregnancy, yes?</i><br>
Not usually, it needs to be before, the egg only lives 12 hours or so, once you know you have O'd it is usually past that window.<br><br><br>
welcome to the boards, i know searching can be a hassle, but i promise you all the common info is there.<br>
I would start with the "Stickies" the threads kept at the top of each section, they have FAQ and lots of good info. Then slowly you get better at searching, it is not always quick, and more or less words help sometimes. you can also google search the forum, i find that to be very helpful too.
 

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Thanks. I have actually been on MDC since 2001, but not in this section. Lots to learn!!!
 

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Adorkable did a great job answering your questions (as always <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">). So, welcome to this part of the MDC world and may your stay here be short!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yep. I keep seeing the list of "old" members (meaning, people who have been around for several months to a year or more) dwindling b/c they eventually seem to get pregnant or give up. I'm more on the "give up" end, b/c I'm not doing anything special anymore. Hell, this month we only DTD 1 day during my fertile period, and I didn't really care. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> We are getting ready to close on our house in less than 3 weeks anyway, so busy busy.<br><br>
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Wowzers, you are busy! Congrats on the new house - that is so exciting. Like you I think I might be headed in to the give up phase. Professor Poopy Pants decided he <i>finally</i> wanted to be potty trained a few months ago and now I am wondering why on earth I would want to have a kiddo in diapers again! I don't think we will do anything "on purpose" i.e., no temping, supplements other than the EPO, OPK, etc. I figure if it happens it will happen and if not, I still have a very full and fulfilling life. Maybe I will change my mind once Mr. Amazing Man and I back together again. Who knows. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wowzers, you are busy! Congrats on the new house - that is so exciting. Like you I think I might be headed in to the give up phase. Professor Poopy Pants decided he <i>finally</i> wanted to be potty trained a few months ago and now I am wondering why on earth I would want to have a kiddo in diapers again! I don't think we will do anything "on purpose" i.e., no temping, supplements other than the EPO, OPK, etc. I figure if it happens it will happen and if not, I still have a very full and fulfilling life. Maybe I will change my mind once Mr. Amazing Man and I back together again. Who knows. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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[email protected] Prof Poopy Pants. You are so silly! Good luck w/the potty training... I hear that's very difficult! Well perhaps you'll have a pleasant surprise while not thinking about it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">[email protected] Prof Poopy Pants. You are so silly! Good luck w/the potty training... I hear that's very difficult! Well perhaps you'll have a pleasant surprise while not thinking about it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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I know this isn't the board for it, but the potty training was actually a breeze!!! I just waited until he was ready (about 3 yr 4 months for him) and then just let him run around the house with just a shirt on for about two days. I stayed close, encouraged him to use the potty, gave him lots of water to drink, & bribed him with lots of Jelly Belly's. Just like that, he was potty trained! With Captain Knuckle, I did it the "you are 2 now, it's time to be potty trained" and it was tough. Guess I just got lazy (or smarter) the second time around!<br><br>
(Helpful hint when you get to this point: skip the pull-ups entirely and just train them with real underwear!)
 
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