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I didn't know whether to post here or in the Vaccination forum, but the Vax forum seemed a little more serious than my silly question requires! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
In short, we are former vaxers no longer vaxing. DD1 is 4 1/2 and is pretty interested in the choice not to vax and I have so far explained that some parents think that vaxes are good and some thing that they do more harm than good, but that each mother tries to make the best decision she can.<br><br>
However, we are bringing home a kitten today and I was explaining to DD1 all of the care that goes into pet ownership, including taking her to the vet. DD1 started crying that she didn't want her kitten to get shots, etc.<br><br>
So, how do you explain that although vaxes are a no-go for the children in a family, they are necessary for the pets?
 

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Just curious as to why they are necessary for pets but not for kids?<br><br>
Since this is online and cannot convey tone of voice I will explain that I am not being facetious or judgmental with the question, I am genuinely interested.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Just curious as to why they are necessary for pets but not for kids?<br><br>
Since this is online and cannot convey tone of voice I will explain that I am not being facetious or judgmental with the question, I am genuinely interested.</div>
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Cats can get distemper and die. It happened to our kitten. They are also the law in a lot of areas. I know around here, if you don't have your animal vaxed for rabies animal control can fine you and/or remove them.<br><br>
To the OP: I had to explain this to my DD once. I just explained that it was different for animals than it was for people, that it was so they could stay healthy. She didn't like it, but she got over it quickly.
 

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I'd take it as a sign people have probably talked in too great of detail for her age about this topic and that it is causing her some stress.<br><br>
I would tell her that there are diseases specific to cats that you don't want your cat to get. And, that the shot doesn't hurt the cat (that may be what she's worried about). All that said, I would also talk to the vet about the vax schedule. There is some thought even among many mainstream vets that pets have been overvaxed and a less aggressive schedule may pose less risks.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Just curious as to why they are necessary for pets but not for kids?<br><br>
Since this is online and cannot convey tone of voice I will explain that I am not being facetious or judgmental with the question, I am genuinely interested.</div>
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I was thinking about this too. But we had a cat die of feline leukemia. For me, there are relatively few shots for cats (maybe two or three?) versus the dozens and dozens for children. And the cat vaccines are for diseases that your cat stands a good chance of getting if not vaxed, unlike childhood diseases.<br><br>
I haven't spoken to DD about the diseases and other scare-mongering stuff regarding the debate over to vax or not vax. Regardless, she's 4 1/2 and her world of awareness is growing fast and it's possible that even a little information was too much for her to handle right now. I usually just answer her questions. She was mainly concerned that the shots would hurt the cat and that the cat would bleed (we used to vax and she remembers it hurting).<br><br>
At this rate, I think that I'll have her go out into the lobby of the vets office and pick out a treat for the cat while the cat is getting vaxed. She probably doesn't need to see it.<br><br>
I'll definitely put it simply and explain that cats get different diseases and need shots to stay healthy and be a part of our family for a looooooong time!<br><br>
Thanks for the suggestions!
 

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The last time I took the dogs to the mobile vax unit, it was in the parking lot of the Health department. I figured that since I'm sending the kids to school next year that I'd pick up the vax exemption for them while I was there.<br><br>
My DD is very observant and said, "Mom, isn't it a bit ironic that you are getting vax exemptions for us, yet you just gave the dogs shots?"<br><br>
It hadn't occurred to me that the actions were related, I just saw two things on my list that needed to be done and it was convenient that they were close. LOL<br><br><br>
My kids never asked why they weren't getting them but the dogs were, however I'd probably used the it's required by the county answer if they had. It's true.
 

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I'd re-think having your cat vaxed for the same reasons you're re-thinking having your family members vaxed. Same scare tactics used, same sorts of issues involved. You can get more info on the specific vaccines if you look around and decide each at a time. Some people do still opt for the rabies vax for legal reasons but if you're doing this at least space it out every three years (ask for the three-year vax when you get it done, if they don't have it then wait for them to order it).
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">And, that the shot doesn't hurt the cat (that may be what she's worried about).</div>
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It actually does hurt (at least the ones I've seen) and I think sugar-coating is not a good idea...it just erodes trust in the long-run. What we used to do as children is talk to the kitty and pet him during shots.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'd re-think having your cat vaxed for the same reasons you're re-thinking having your family members vaxed. Same scare tactics used, same sorts of issues involved. You can get more info on the specific vaccines if you look around and decide each at a time. Some people do still opt for the rabies vax for legal reasons but if you're doing this at least space it out every three years (ask for the three-year vax when you get it done, if they don't have it then wait for them to order it).</div>
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I do agree. We've only had indoor cats lately and there were some vaxes pushed on us "just in case" they got out. I'll turn those down for sure.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">It actually does hurt (at least the ones I've seen) and I think sugar-coating is not a good idea...it just erodes trust in the long-run. What we used to do as children is talk to the kitty and pet him during shots.</div>
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I hadn't thought of this. I don't remember it hurting our cats (at least not to the extent that they hurt children) but I could just be remembering incorrectly. I'll keep this in mind for sure!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It actually does hurt (at least the ones I've seen) and I think sugar-coating is not a good idea...it just erodes trust in the long-run. What we used to do as children is talk to the kitty and pet him during shots.</div>
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I've taken quite a few cats and dogs to the vet and seen them get shots. I haven't noticed any having any particular reactions or pain. I'm all for kindness and caring about the pain of animals and don't suggest parents be dishonest about where meat comes from example.<br><br>
I'm being entirely honest when I say that I haven't observed ANY of our pets ever having a reaction to getting a shot. I know our son expressed concern that getting shots would hurt the dog, but when he actually observed the dog getting shots he noticed that he continued to kiss people throughout, no sign of pain whatsoever. As a parent I would explore if pain is what the child is worried about because it may well not be a problem for the animal at all. I'm sure if he could verbalize it our dog would take 100 shots before having his foot stepped on once.
 

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When I had a cat, she got the rabies shot only.<br><br>
Feline leukemia is often contracted at an age younger than the shots are given (the incubation period can be months or years). There's also age-related immunity to feline leukemia. I wouldn't be at all concerned about a cat older than a year being exposed, due to age-related immunity; a kitten under a year I would just keep strictly indoors (or vaccinate, if it were an escapist kitten).<br><br>
The "distemper" shot is actually several vaccines. Usually it's FVRCP - feline viral rhinotracheitis, calicivirus, and panleukopenia. Sometimes it has another "c" for feline chlamydia. Rhino is a nasty and common respiratory disease. Unfortunately, kittens often get it from their mothers (who carry it chronically and express it under stress), so we see it commonly among foster kittens even though they get shots early and often.<br><br>
I've helped administer shots (in the cat's legs, not the nape, which is an outdated location to use, due to vaccine-associated sarcoma risk). It is definitely painful, although the pain is reduced by using a very narrow (high-gauge) needle, and by changing the needle after drawing the dose from the vial (poking the needle through the vial cap blunts it slightly). Some cats and many dogs will be stoic, since it's their nature to not express pain and thereby expose themselves to predators looking for a sign of weakness. That doesn't mean it doesn't cause them pain to stab them with a needle.<br><br>
I've also had a foster cat euthanized after recurrence of vaccine-associated sarcoma. She was in a lot of pain. There is no risk-free option.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I've taken quite a few cats and dogs to the vet and seen them get shots. I haven't noticed any having any particular reactions or pain.</div>
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Two of my pets have had vax reactions.<br><br>
A cat I had many years ago, suffered stroke like symptoms after a group of shots. He recovered after about a month. The vet said it was most likely the Feline Leukemia vax.<br><br>
The last (emphasis on last) time my dog had a rabies vax, it temporarily paralyzed the leg she got the shot in. She is older and doesn't leave the house, so I'm not worried about her getting rabies.<br><br>
Animals <i>can</i> have vax reactions.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Two of my pets have had vax reactions.<br><br>
A cat I had many years ago, suffered stroke like symptoms after a group of shots. He recovered after about a month. The vet said it was most likely the Feline Leukemia vax.<br><br>
The last (emphasis on last) time my dog had a rabies vax, it temporarily paralyzed the leg she got the shot in. She is older and doesn't leave the house, so I'm not worried about her getting rabies.<br><br>
Animals <i>can</i> have vax reactions.</div>
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As I posted earlier I think there is legitimate concern about excess vax of animals and when even mainstream vets are changing the schedule that says something worth paying attention to.<br><br>
My comment about the animal reaction is for the benefit of the preschooler who is having concern about her pets. If she's imaging animals buckled over in pain from getting shots I'd reassure her that won't be the case.
 
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