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My DS is 5 weeks now and I am getting depressed trying to overcome breastfeeding problems. My biggest frustation is I don't know what's wrong! Please help me figure out<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I had a not so great birth experience(not the medical staff fault for once) ending in C-section and nursed him first time after an hr, in NICU. He had breathing problems and hence was in NICu for couple of hrs for observation. He took the breast immediately with no help. Since it was easter weekend, I nursed the first 3 days, including that first time, without any LC in hospital. There was pain but manageable. He is a strong sucker, very healthy apetite and has gained weight consistently since the third day of his life<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><br><br>
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<ul><li>I have severe nipple pain. Around 3 weeks, it was bad enough that I could not wear any clothes. The pain varies.</li>
<li>One kind of pain is at the tip of the nipple, which is the worst kind. I did go to a LC who saw me and DS. She says I may have vapospasm, since my nipples blanch.</li>
<li>We also were trying treatment for thrush for him and me, since initially I couldnt visit the LC and she thought it might be that. The treatment provided me lot of relief. But there are no real thrush symptoms on him or me apart from my pain. So we have discontiuned.</li>
<li>I thought it was bad latch. LC says we are doing fine. I have read and watched lots of latch videos and with help of hubby tried to do everythign they say. DS does have a bump in his palette and LC thinks that could be one reason my nipple point hurts. If I do a deep latch, the point hurts. If I do a shallow one, the area beneath my nipple hurts. The latter I can tolerate for few feeds before it becomes unbearable.</li>
<li>Due to all the pain, I have been feeding him expressed milk through bottle since he was 2-3 weeks. He doesn't seem to have nipple confusion. Now at 5 weeks, I feed him bottle and nurse him, sometimes both at the same session , and he seems to be coping well. I don't want to use bottle but it's keep my BF experience alive.</li>
<li>Apart from the fact that bfing hurts, I am starting to detest the whole thing because, I have been reduced to a milk production machine. I have so much pain/tenderness that I cant hold him. The only time I am with him is when he is nursing and that time I am fighting pain! More than half my time goes pumping. He drinks 3.5-4oz every 2.5 hrs.</li>
<li>I have tried warm compress. Not much help. I am currently starting prescription for Renauds. But I am not confident. Did anyone have similar experience???</li>
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I had the same problems with two of my children. It WILL get better in time. With #3 I was in so much pain I got those hobbit shields and just cried every time she nursed with my bleeding painful nipples. TONS of lanolin later and constant readjustment and it got better. I would keep up with the thrush treatment even if you don't see symptoms-you were feeling better, and rub them down with lanolin and go topless as much as possible. At night, I just go topless and use a clean receiving blanket to prevent milk from going everywhere and after learning that trick, it really helped. My nipples blanch too (especially in the beginning) but I never heard that was a problem.
 

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Oh mama, I feel your pain. I had SO much pain in the beginning. My left nipple had shooting pain all day. I couldn't let anything touch it. I actually cut a hole in a couple of shirts and walked around the house with my nip hanging out. And the pain while nursing was so bad that I would tear up and grit my teeth when he nursed. It was cracked and excruciating. Also, DS was a little but tongue-tied and his latch was wierd and would keep splitting the crack. Torture.<br>
Put lanolin on your nipples. Expose them to sunlight if you can. I quit wearing a nursing bra and pads because it was keeping my nipples moist.<br>
Just know that this will pass. Mother nature sure doesn't make it easy, though. I always thought that that baby would just latch on perfectly and we'd both know what we were doing and ride off into the nursing sunset, end of story. Turns out it takes work, but it is so gratifying if you can get past the hardest part.<br>
DS is now 9 months old and the nursing relationship feels like one of the real bonuses of being a mom.
 

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Thank you for such encouragement....I wonder why all BF literature and LLL and such people insist BF should be painless, if so many of us have such severe pain well beyond the first few days.<br><br>
How long did it take for you to reach the enjoyable phase?
 

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I am so sorry to hear you are in such pain. I had severe pain with my first also. I think it lasted at lest 6 weeks. It did finally get better though. One day, I was no longer curling my toes, and then we had months of painless, easy nursing.<br><br>
I don't know why "they" say it is painless...
 

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6 weeks-2 months. I know soooo many people who had no pain. I've always just felt like a weirdo! At least we know we're not alone, right?
 

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I had this same thing. I had severe pain for a long time. It did get better at 8 weeks but still not pain free. To be honest, it didn't stop hurting all together until he was 14 months, can't really say why it stopped, it just did. I cried at every feeding with toe-curing pain but we nursed to 21 months. With my next child I did have the pain, but not NEAR as bad.<br><br>
I think a lot of mine was yeast related, a huge chunk of it. Then I think part of it was a touch of Reynaud's that was increased by the yeast. I was like you, nothing could touch it without being SO painful. Shirt, shower, baby, anything, it was awful. I tried EVERYTHING. No LC could seem to tell me what was wrong. His latch seemed OK, no tongue tie that we could tell, he never had any signs of yeast (I did, though, and treated for it). My nippled would blanch and get purple/white... but again I think this was part of the yeast. I would get cracks that would be HUGE. One left a scar in the shape of a Y on my nipple. Just horrible! So I totally know how you feel.<br><br>
It does get better, though. Hang in there! HUGS!<br><br>
And, what are you doing to treat for yeast?
 

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I had pain issues on 1 side for the first 2 months or so--I had yeast 3 times and mastitis twice, plus he had latching problems on that side (though the LCs said it looked ok). As far as the yeast goes, my only symptoms were shooting pains behind the nipple and a very pink nipple. The baby had no symptoms. I treated us both anyway. Now I use a version of the APNO (Dr Jack Newman's nipple cream) after nursing to prevent recurrences and so far, so good. I would definitely recommend continuing the yeast treatment. i found these sites helpful:<br><a href="http://breastfeeding.hypermart.net/thrush.html" target="_blank">http://breastfeeding.hypermart.net/thrush.html</a><br><a href="http://www.breastfeeding-basics.com/html/candida.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeeding-basics.com/html/candida.shtml</a><br><a href="http://www.breastfeedingonline.com/yeast.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeedingonline.com/yeast.shtml</a><br><a href="http://www.howtodothings.com/family-and-relationships/a2393-how-to-relieve-nipple-pain-in-breastfeeding.html" target="_blank">http://www.howtodothings.com/family-...stfeeding.html</a>
 

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I hope you got my pm!<br><br>
I would agree, continue the thrush treatment if it is helpful with the pain. If you don't mind sharing the treatment maybe we can help you determine why it was helping.<br><br>
Latch can look correct and not be correct, especially with palate problems. I included for the cranio-sacral chiro in the pm I sent you, she is the best in the area and has helped babies/moms I personally know with palate and tongue issues.<br><br>
I want to encourage you to get more help now, while your milk supply is good. If your body isn't receiving the correct signals to make milk now it can negatively affect supply in the future. The first weeks of breastfeeding are hormone based and that is when you establish supply. After that it is supply and demand and improper suck/latch will not stimulate the body properly for demand.
 

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i feel like i can chip in on these threads now, since i had terrible pain when breastfeeding, and then suddenly one day, after trying what seemed like EVERYTHING, i didn't! it really was at about 10 weeks that i suddenly thought, hey, i haven't wanted to stab someone in the eye while feeding her for a while now!<br><br>
our hurdles:<br>
small baby... she was early and quite small, and definitely part of overcoming the discomfort was just her growing up a bit and getting more efficient. even not early babies still need some time to figure things out.<br><br>
YEAST! we didn't have any clear symptoms either. no thrush in the mouth, but i had shooting pain in the nipples while nursing, and tender nipples that couldn't stand to be touched the rest of the time. we treated with gentian violet and GSE and now use APO and probiotics regularly. getting rid of the yeast was a big help, but it took two tries with the GV. obviously, not everyone has yeast, but i'd bet it's a lot more common than you might think.<br><br>
bad latch... this was probably the least of our worries, but watching videos (jack newman's) and trying to get her latched on as well as possible during day time really helped. sometimes she still has an annoyingly shallow latch in the middle of the night when we're both sleepy, but since it's infrequent, it doesn't cause any major pain or damage. i found that every LC has a different idea of what the "perfect" latch is, so if yours has one idea keep trying out others. for us, the nurse at the NICU, the LC my midwife sent, the first LC at the breastfeeding clinic, and the second one all had suprisingly different ideas of what constituted the best latch. i think as long as there aren't major structural issues (tongue tie) or transfer issues (weight gain), it will be a pretty personal preference between baby and mom... after all, no ones' nipples are the same shape, and no one's mouth is either.<br><br>
hang in there! you might not believe it now, but chances are that one day you'll think, hey, this doesn't hurt anymore! it's important to actively solve the problems, but giving it time is important too.
 

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it definitely sounds like raynauds to me. I have it too, but luckily not as bad, and it goes away after a few weeks with each child. A hint that it is raynauds is that it hurts to shower, hurts to have a cold breeze on them, etc.
 

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It feels so good to read your replies! thank you from the bottom of my heart.<br><br>
For suspected thrush/yeast, we gave DS Nystatin, I put Lotramine on nipple, boiled bottles etc 20 mins,changed bra/pads every few hrs,washed our clothes with a little bleach,washed my nipples with vinegar solution after every feed. I must also mention it was the same time I started pumping regularly, so the relief could also be due to the break from active nursing at breast?<br><br>
I started suspected Renauds treatment 2 days back and I am seeing huge difference. Taklng 1 dose of Nifidipine.Earlier pumping at the lowest suction level(Madela Symphony)would hurt.Now pumping is a breeze - this within 24 hrs. I am getting painful headache as side effect and taking 1 Ibuprofen daily. Dunno whats helping.<br><br>
Atleast now I can distinguish poor latch pain from the other pain. Latch pain is nothing honestly compared to the other type. I still have problem with my nipple touching his bump in palette with deep latch and with shallow his gums grinding my nipple. Nipples still come out blanched after feeding and many times with ridge across the nipple. But its very much bearable!
 
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